Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good <tomg@mailhost.nrnet.org> To: Gabriel Ambuehl <gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: Some food for thought...(aka rant of the day) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000531110020.19010A-100000@mailhost.nrnet.org> In-Reply-To: <6318931011.20000530220935@buz.ch>
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On Tue, 30 May 2000, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> FreeBSD OTOH lacks such a thing as YaST forcing the user to learn the
> system but afterwards he at least understands what his system's doing.
Did YAST *force* you to use it, Gabriel? ;-)
I haven't run SuSe in a long time - and briefly at that but I never
fired up YAST...one thing I find useful is to look at the src behind
the interfaces and see what the vendor is up to...then do it myself.
I don't use linuxconf now - although I have some redhat workstations.
BTW, I guess you didn't feel as coerced by sysinstall on FBSD?
It does a number of IF functions - post install - similar to Slackware
Setup, SuSe YAST, RedHat Linuxconf...so on. It doesn't attempt to
be a complete interface but it does do alot, if you don't want to
look under the hood.
You know the UnixWare docs would lead one to believe that the desktop
is the only way to setup a UW box. Odd, I never used it nor did I
use the sysadm program in char mode. DIY is the way.
> I actually found Linux to be better documented but if you spent the
> money for The Complete FreeBSD, everything should go very well. The
> SuSE manual, OTOH, is just some kind of installation bible with 500
> pages and some other stuff. Never found anything about .profile and
> such stuff...
The 'official' docs are the worst. After market stuff (i.e., Tim
O'Reilly) is the best. Actually, I'd rather spend my time lobbying
O'Reilly to write about FBSD than argue Linux v. FBSD which I view
as silly. I am eager to acquire a small tome like 'FBSD in a nutshell.'
I don't want to read reams of paper --- a brief book like the nutshell
series is good.
And I really don't need something that tells me how to use sysinstall. ;-)
> Best regards,
> Gabriel
Take care...
> [1] RPM, especially BINARY, is actually the worst thing in SuSE, IMHO.
I am not now, nor have I ever been - a Redhat Package Mangler user!
Yuck. The unix deity gave us cc and make so we wouldn't have to use
some proprietary garbage...I like RedHat scripts here and there and
am happy to ripoff some good ideas. But in general they are way too
heavy handed. RedHat is a great example of what Pat Volkerding refers
to when he talks about 'dumbing down an OS' (this month's Linux Journal)
so as to pander to people who really don't want unix to begin with.
Cheers,
Tom
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