Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:40:39 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com> To: Maksim Yevmenkin <maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com> Cc: usb@freebsd.org, Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org, Gavin Atkinson <gavin@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0902081940o3ffd8ea1m6f59d65ee59d57ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <bb4a86c70902081917r7085e867r776606c52f3d9d8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <498F2EBA.9000106@freebsd.org> <bb4a86c70902081917r7085e867r776606c52f3d9d8c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Maksim Yevmenkin
<maksim.yevmenkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>>> - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where
>>>>> applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list.
>>>>
>>>> Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty
>>>> annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config
>>>> files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break.
>>>
>>> The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had
>>> to change config files yet.
>>>
>>> One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't
>>> need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change".
>>>
>>> Your argument only works if people had already had to change their
>>> config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they
>>> will have to change their kernel config back. Only people running
>>> -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the
>>> rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all.
>>>
>>>> Basically, calling it usb2 isn't as bad as renaming it back to "usb"
>>>> as it's less disruptive in my book.
>>>
>>> Again, I disagree.
>>
>> I agree with your comments. And, as I've said previously, any name changes
>> from usb1 will require _all_ documentation (manual pages, handbook, etc) to
>> change; not a good idea.
>
> i second that. i would really like to see old module names to be
> preserved as much as possible.
>
> thanks,
> max
In some cases I find the new module names to be more intuitive
(uplcom -> usb2_serial_plcom), but I find having to add the additional
modules required for USB4BSD (usb2_core, etc) to be a bit more
annoying.
Also, there's an issue with the example USB2 kernel config -- you
need to have double-quotes around the include file otherwise config
says `syntax error' and pukes.
Thanks,
-Garrett
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