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Date:      Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:30:42 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
Cc:        Niels Provos <provos@citi.umich.edu>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG, provos@OpenBSD.org
Subject:   Re: non-random IP IDs
Message-ID:  <20010416233042.A21394@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <200104170157.f3H1v4d87804@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:57:04PM -0700
References:  <20010416214611.6DA3F207C1@citi.umich.edu> <200104170157.f3H1v4d87804@earth.backplane.com>

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:57:04PM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote:
>=20
> :No reasoning.  You do not need the htons().  The fragment ids just
> :need to be unique.  An htons() does not change that property.  I dont
> :like that code very much.  A variable-block-size cipher in counter
> :mode would do the job better.
> :
> :However, what many ppl do not realize is that you can use predictable
> :ip ids to anonymously port scan machines.  Bugtraq talks about how to
> :do that.
> :
> :Niels.
>=20
>     It's not worth doing.  We would be introducing unnecessary cpu burn on
>     every single packet we sent out, all to solve a problem that doesn't
>     really exist.

Well, that's why it's a sysctl defaulting to off in my patch.  Don't
turn it on if you don't want to.

Kris

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