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Date:      Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:30:43 -0500
From:      Rick Siple <RickSiple@mpainc.com>
To:        "'freebsd-chat@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: newbies mailing list
Message-ID:  <6150EE893AC3D011A3360020AFF799985F8C@INETSERVER>

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	Grrrr..... Stupid internet mail connector...

	Sorry for the poorly formatted reply,  given the still running
thread about poorly formatted e-mail.  I have yet to figure out how to
get Outlook and/or Exhange's Internet Mail Connector to stop quoting
everything like that.

> I think the key is to not be embarrassed to ask anything. 

	On this note I can say that I put an exceptional amount of
thought into the messages I send to questions (all three of the
questions).  Basically, it is just because I don't want to look like an
idiot.  I have a bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering so I
consider myself to be a fairly intelligent individual, but I am still
intimidated by the more experienced members on the lists.  I don't know
how to solve the problem, but I would hate to see the user base become
divided as the members of the proposed newbies list gain more experience
but perhaps fail to migrate to the original lists because they are more
comfortable where they are.  

> I 'third' the search-archive problem. Improvement is necessary there,
> although the hiccuping hub.freebsd disk may be somewhat to blame.

	I've experienced this myself.  The major problem seems to be
that the messages are not threaded.  If NNTP articles were used instead
of simple SMTP messages could the indexing engine be setup to allow
navigation of threads instead of individual messages?  Sometimes the
article that mentions the keyword is the question and the answering
articles did not quote the keyword.  Following threads on the mailing
lists as they occur can be just as difficult as persons respond to
earlier postings and create multiple threads.  
	I can't be the first person to have thought of this and I can
think of more than one technical difficulty.  First, a news reader is
more difficult to setup for the end user.  Second, I don't know if the
freely available NNTP servers can handle private newsgroups (newsgroups
sourced specifically by freebsd.org).  Third, if any of the software can
do private lists, can it also perform access control to keep newbies
from accidentally posting to the technical lists.  Also, the indexer
would have to be changed to handle threaded articles, etc.....

	I'll stop babbling, as this has probably been hashed out before.

-Rick Siple
RickSiple@MPAInc.com


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