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Date:      Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Mike Silbersack <silby@silby.com>
To:        Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>
Cc:        Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>, Chris Dillon <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us>, "Andrey A. Chernov" <ache@nagual.pp.ru>, Jun Kuriyama <kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp>, <cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG>, <cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG>, <brian@freebsd-services.com>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.var.dist src/etc/namedb named.conf 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.30.0108231705050.76401-100000@niwun.pair.com>
In-Reply-To: <200108232021.f7NKLUg86106@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Brian Somers wrote:

> > 2.  rc.conf is amended with some fancy shell scripting that mails root and
> > says "You're not using sandboxing!  Read this url and figure it out, it
> > will be the default in 4.5"
>
> So anybody that wants named to run as root so that it can bind to
> addresses that are configured after named has started gets to suffer
> these emails ?
>
> Are you saying that *you* know better than the person running a given
> machine ?  I think not.

I think that anyone running BIND as root deserves to know the risk they're
putting themselves in.  Look at BIND 8's history and tell me that it's a
completely safe application to run as root.  When protection against being
rooted is this easy, people should be using it.

The case of running a dns server on dynamic interfaces is irrelevant.
Such a server would be useless anyway, since nobody could find it.  Maybe
there's one or two people who have some really weird situation which
requires such a setup, but I'm sure that's a really small amount of
people.

Clearly it's not going to be easy to set the defaults to use bind:bind
without breaking some configurations.  However, this is something that
_should_ be done.  This would be a much more productive conversation if
you could put forward some ideas on how to make the transition as painless
as possible.

Mike "Silby" Silbersack


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