Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:50:28 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> To: "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> Cc: Martin Sugioarto <martin@sugioarto.com>, "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG>, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, "freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG>, "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, "Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG" <Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server Message-ID: <1324741828.2235.YahooMailNeo@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4EF5E65C.3060405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <xf5fxrkpagw2qf65tk9y2njf.1324492907631@email.android.com> <4EF25468.9040204@gmail.com> <CAOjFWZ7%2Bx61QPB-cO5ppWwY-nCRFvs9P76H_SO%2BCSL41APLwsA@mail.gmail.com> <CADWvR2jVPkLrM686Xhk12U0poV7CCqB3LF_ZbTPTHFKjt%2BdP=g@mail.gmail.com> <4EF2C613.3020609@digsys.bg> <CADWvR2jQMcOrPEzU5Ug4TRp9hxvD6qOVTZYjqqozarA-%2B-DsQw@mail.gmail.com> <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111223074706.1afe4d26@zelda.sugioarto.com> <4EF45C85.9010709@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4EF46829.6010508@digsys.bg> <4EF5E65C.3060405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
Hi,=0A=0AWell, I don't chime in, usually.=A0 However, enough is enough.=A0 = There are many merits to both *BSD and Linux.=A0 I don't agree with benchma= rks that slant either way, as I'm sure people in both camps will agree.=A0 = Please be adult and just agree to disagree.=A0 Technology applicable to the= problem at hand is the only useful thing that we should all agree on.=A0 P= ersonally, I don't care if it's BSD, a Linux-variant or even Windoze if it = solves the problem.=A0 So, if you would all look at all the time spent vent= ing on this idiocy as time that could have been spent coding, debugging, et= c, think how much time was wasted from people just reading these e-mails.= =A0 (Yes, I do and this was an absolute waste of my time.)=A0 So, if the co= mmunication on the thread was nearly as much going to development and findi= ng issues or the causes of the issues, maybe a scheduler problem would be t= racked down, maybe a benchmark issue would be tracked down.=A0 Maybe people= will stop using RC's versus releases, I don't know.=A0 I really don't care.=A0 Just = please stop with finger pointing and being disgruntled and indignant.=A0 FO= CUS!!=0A=0AI'd love to say something like "Can't we all just get along" but= we are just so polar in our beliefs, I don't see it happening.=A0 Just dro= p it.=A0 If you have something constructive to say, spin off this thread an= d let the primary thread just die.=A0 (It should have a week ago.)=A0 Solve= the benchmarking issue, solve the scheduler issue, just focus.=0A=0APaul P= .=0ACTO/Owner =0A=0AAtlantis Services=0A=0A"Civilized Computing"=0A=0A=0A__= ______________________________=0A From: O. Hartmann <ohartman@mail.zedat.fu= -berlin.de>=0ATo: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> =0ACc: Martin Sugioarto= <martin@sugioarto.com>; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Igor Mozolevsky <igor= @hybrid-lab.co.uk>; freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG; O. Hartmann <ohartman@= zedat.fu-berlin.de>; Daniel@FreeBSD.ORG =0ASent: Saturday, December 24, 201= 1 9:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle L= inux 6.1 Server=0A =0AOn 12/23/11 12:38, Daniel Kalchev wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A= > On 23.12.11 12:48, O. Hartmann wrote:=0A>> Look at Steve Kargls problem. = He investigated a SCHED_ULE problem in a=0A>> way that is far beyond enough= ! He gave tests, insights of his setup,=0A>> bad performance compared to SC= HED_4BSD and what happend? We are still=0A>> stuck with this problem and mo= re and more people realise, that FreeBSD=0A>> does have somewhere a problem= and this seems to be a nasty problem not=0A>> easy to find or investigate.= =0A> =0A> This has made me to realize, that I was having a problem with SCH= ED_ULE=0A> that I was not aware of until now. WOW! :)=0A> =0A> Every schedu= ler has some problem, some fail here some fail there. I am=0A> confident, t= hat the case that Steve Kargls has reported will be resolved.=0A> =0A>> Ano= ther problem is this very elite-feeling closed club. Once you=0A>> managed = it getting into the club of committers or core team members,=0A>> you'll pr= obably fight for your seat ... I dont propose for that=0A>> socialists crap= Linux people tend to be like,=0A> [..]=0A> =0A> You never heard of the "Pe= ople's Republic of Berkeley"? :)=0A> =0A> As for commiter access, this sort= of comments trigger the system=0A> administrator in me. I have seen enough= people, who for the lack of=0A> other excuses always use "but I don't have= enough RIGHTS!". I am evil, I=0A> know....=0A> =0A>> But I follow the illu= sion that if people can see what benchmarks=0A>> reveal, they start thinkin= g and if the facts are starting to give a=0A>> heavy load load on those rej= ecting the facts, they migght change their=0A>> opinion or get hopefully re= placed by more openminded people.=0A> =0A> Here is now it works:=0A> =0A> I= f you see an problem and have a solution: go fix it. Many will be=0A> grate= ful.=0A> If you can't fix it, but have an idea how to fix it, share it. May= will=0A> be grateful.=0A> If you can't fix it and don't have any idea, jus= t say "there is a=0A> problem" and stop there. There are many, many, many l= ike you who just=0A> hold their breath.=0A> =0A> We all learn, every day.= =0A> =0A> Daniel=0A=0ASorry, but your crap is simply breathtaking.=0A=0Aoh
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?1324741828.2235.YahooMailNeo>