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Date:      Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:14:22 -0800 (PST)
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
To:        Manfred Antar <mantar@netcom.com>
Cc:        Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp>, Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net>, current@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: WARNING WILL ROBINSON! Risk of severe filesystem damage suspected
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.95.980317091257.4523A-100000@current1.whistle.com>
In-Reply-To: <199803170709.XAA23541@mantar.slip.netcom.com>

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I've been testing soft-updates and was seeing some new crashes I hadn't
seen in the last few days. I was just trying to work out if it was
soft-updates or the new VM stuff.. 


On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Manfred Antar wrote:

> At 02:55 PM 3/17/98 +0900, Michael Hancock wrote:
> >
> >Is it possible that the previous kernel quietly trashed your disks and it
> >didn't manifest itself until after the last vm fix commit?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Mike Hancock
> >
> >On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Karl Denninger wrote:
> >
> >> ************ URGENT **************
> >> 
> >> I strongly advise that you *DO NOT* use -CURRENT as it sits at the 
> >> present time.
> >> 
> >> The kernel you build may do SEVERE damage to your filesystems.  
> >> 
> >> I am working on finding the commit which is causing this and will post to 
> >> the list as soon as I have identified it.  
> >> 
> >> This is not a trivial matter.  It is a very good thing indeed that I use a
> >> scratch disk for my /usr/obj area, or I would be really rather upset. :-)
> >> 
> >> The symptoms are random core dumps and other problems - but the underlying
> >> reason is that the filesystem has been trashed beyond belief!  
> >> 
> >> I unmounted the disk in question CLEANLY and found both partially
> truncated 
> >> and duplicate inodes all over it, along with severe internal file damage.
> >> 
> >> I suspect the commit today in kern/vfs_cluster.c, as that's the only
> >> filesystem or VM related commit that my first-level examination has found.
> >> I am backing that out locally right now and will advise if it makes the 
> >> problem go away.
> >> 
> >> Note that kernels built LAST NIGHT (3/15) at about 23:00 *do not* exhibit 
> >> the problem.
> >> 
> >> --
> Same thing happened to me. My disk was hosed. Luckily I had just swapped
> disks last Thursday. I put the old one back in and 
> it runs fine. 
> fstab:
> 
> /dev/sd0s1a  on /
> /dev/sd0s1e on /var
> /dev/sd0s1f on /usr
> /dev/sd0s1g on /usr/obj =====softupdates enabled..
> most of the damage was on /usr . although after a make -k -j4 world last
> night lots of / was trashed
> /sbin/init among others. I don't know if softupdates had any thing to do
> with it though. I disabled it
> and rebuilt tools libs sbin bin and a new kernel and the same thing
> happened. no NFS just the one SCSI drive.
> Manfred
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