Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Hoskins <mike@adept.org> To: Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee> Cc: Willie Viljoen <will@unfoldings.net> Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD Message-ID: <20040309222946.S87362@snafu.adept.org> In-Reply-To: <20040309163120.L68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <20040308210331.CDPV20549.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <20040309163120.L68396@haldjas.folklore.ee>
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Narvi wrote: > Not in numbers by any means. true. > And like with Solaris, if anything, the marketshare is decreasing. untrue. > Huh? you are completely off your rocker - being able to do a desktop > install - and having the OS behave rationaly in a desktop environment does > not in any way maen that it needs to always install X. great, so we all agree. either write a perfect joe-sixpack-desktop installer (keeping it modular and easily removed as mentioned), pay someone to do it, or quit wasting bandwidth. (please.) > It means no more or > less that when on a desktop machine, the OS should behave apprropriately, > including automaticly detectinga nd loading sound, finding mouse, having a > resonable set of desktop apps installed, using a printing system and so > on. who said i have a sound card in my server? or a mouse? his point was, there are two different directions, often with different goals. i think most sane people would agree. that doesn't mean we can't come up with a great desktop/install/whatever, and it doesn't mean the current system is useless for everyone. quit overgeneralizing... you're reminding me why it's a bad idea to subscribe to advocacy. > Windows is not a fringe server OS - do you know what percenatge of > worldwide servers - whetever web or not are running windows? This is not > 1995 any more. i've got over 700 servers in production. none are windows. i have many friends with similar setups... so his point remains valid. m$ is loosing market share, that's why they've had to start directly targeting linux in enterprise mags and on large billboards in the valley. that costs money, i wonder why billy boy bothers? because he's loosing customers. so don't waste time arguing something that's obvious by looking around... get back to writing that dream installer/desktop. and if you can't write it... that's OK. not everyone's a developer, or has oodles of free time. put together some requirements (ones that won't be laughed at by real developers would be nice), and start a paypal fund... then you'll actually be helping the project, which you seem to care so much about. (great, but just talking a lot doesn't help anyone.) -m -- "Information Warfare? Given the state of the industry, what we need is Information Welfare." --Richard A Steenbergen
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