Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:08:08 +0100 From: John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st> To: Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> Cc: NGie Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" <testing@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests Message-ID: <564883B8.1060500@marino.st> In-Reply-To: <564882E1.5050404@freebsd.org> References: <CAG=rPVc1t2q_MR99iyWYfy4xrCy==KA1yT=EAaa2twiHoC=zcA@mail.gmail.com> <CAG=rPVfK6ZyWJhtuBihmj%2BWNp94auCJ3kDqoQm-ygXNpiLeatA@mail.gmail.com> <69242BD8-9010-47F0-9706-BE206376ECEA@gmail.com> <289892B6-EACE-4BDA-B838-D3DC750319DE@gmail.com> <56482FA9.2010803@marino.st> <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> <20151115124656.GB93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <564880FA.5000009@freebsd.org> <20151115130009.GC93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <564882E1.5050404@freebsd.org>
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On 11/15/2015 2:04 PM, Andrey Chernov wrote: > On 15.11.2015 16:00, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 03:56:26PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote: >>> On 15.11.2015 15:46, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 03:24:19PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote: >>>>> On 15.11.2015 10:09, John Marino wrote: >>>>> ISO8859-1 locales are legacy even if obsoleted in modern world (I agree >>>>> with that). Lots of ports (even at configure stage!) have checks for >>>>> them. Since we generate locales from CLDR now, it will be no cost to >>>>> bring all 8859-1 back to not violate POLA and not fix every failing port. >>>>> >>>> Exp-run have been made and no ports were failing with the removed locales. >>> >>> There is soft-fail, configure just marks that locales are not supported >>> and use "C". Sorry I don't remember port names where I saw it right now >>> and don't have a time to search for them right now too. Soft-fails (like >>> in tcl with nl_langinfo) are almost impossible to detect excepting >>> specific situation happens or source code inspection. Do we ever need >>> them when there is no harm to keep 8859-1 locales? >> >> Is it ok if I readd those locales as aliases on 8859-15? > > It is hacking solution leads to wrong collating order and character > classes. It is better to generate true 8859-1 just in the same way you > already do for 8859-15. > > BTW, I can't check right now, but in case 8859-5 is removed too, it is > better to restore it, it was used in Suns as their standard Russian > encoding. > DragonFly: muscles# locale -a | grep 8859-5 uk_UA.ISO8859-5 be_BY.ISO8859-5 ru_RU.ISO8859-5 sr_Cyrl_RS.ISO8859-5 I agree that if -1 is brought back, it needs to be changed at the charset.xml level. At that point FreeBSD and DragonFly will diverge. I also agree using ports as justification for keeping -1 in western europe is invalid (as in, it's not causing problems in ports) John
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