Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:18:24 -0600 From: "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <campbell@neotext.ca> To: dsyphers@uchicago.edu Cc: security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Was: Merged security patches, now SPAM Message-ID: <20020809071824.M49009@babayaga.neotext.ca> In-Reply-To: <200208082210.40484.dsyphers@uchicago.edu> References: <1028659081.3d50178945f68_webmail.vsi.ru@ns.sol.net> <20020806192150.A23951@sheol.localdomain> <20020809012746.M17312@babayaga.neotext.ca> <200208082210.40484.dsyphers@uchicago.edu>
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Hmm. Either you didn't read what I wrote, or we don't agree. The current spam flood is a direct result of "security" organizations with an inability to recognize a necessary and appropriate use of encryption technology. Many of these groups (but not all of them) reside in your country. Security in a systems sense includes concepts of accuracy, availability and salience of information. Spam is an example where a lot of technologically illiterate trained house-cats in the "Security" business failed to comprehend this and crippled an entire technology with a flawed implementation. The question I put (in roundabout fashion) was "Why isn't PGP an integral part of email clients". In this sense it is germaine to "security@freebsd.org". Thanks, Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: David Syphers <dsyphers@uchicago.edu> To: "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <campbell@neotext.ca> Sent: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:10:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Was: Merged security patches, now SPAM > Merged security patches was a topic appropriate for > freebsd-security. The general philosophy of SPAM is > not. Thanks. > > -David > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 08:27 pm, Duncan Patton a > Campbell is Dhu wrote: > > Hmm. I've been thinking that the problem of spam is one of > > human identity > > and not a machine issue -- an identifiable human signator of an > > email is > > a fairly good bet that you want to read it. So probably a more > > general > > approach to reducing robo-mail would be to have standardised > > hooks > > to PGP in all emailers, useable by the massess. > > > > When email was first introduced, this should have been a > > standard feature, > > but for various reasons wasn't. Authorship provides human > > authority to otherwise meaningless clusters of bits. This > > application of security technology > > is actually of more significance than is secrecy. > > > > The reason this is not a signed message is that I'm always > > trying out > > web/email clients and long ago found that they don't make pgp > > integration easy in all of them. Interestingly, I am currently > > using > > a thing called Openwebmail, which is descended from something > > called Neomail. The first pc<unix> mail client I built was > > called > > neomail, and from its inception, contained full pgp integration. > > Which, I might add, made a lot of folks unhappy at the time. > > > > To wax philosophic, I'd have to say that SPAM is Murphy's > > revenge for an unfinished implementation. > > > > Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-) > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com> > > To: Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu <campbell@neotext.ca> > > Sent: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:21:50 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Merged security patches for 4.3-RELEASE > > > > > On Aug 06, at 05:48 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell is > > > Dhu wrote: > > > > > > > > Spamset Faraway??? Keeps out all that nasty spam from the > > > > Viking probe, > > > > I guess. > > > > > > > > Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-) > > > > > > Am I supposed to understand any of this? Does it have > > > anything to do with FreeBSD security issues? > > > > > > Or shall I see to it I shan't see you again? > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > > > From: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) > > > > To: oleg@vsi.ru, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Sent: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:27:53 -0500 (CDT) > > > > Subject: Re: Merged security patches for 4.3-RELEASE > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > <1028659081.3d50178945f68_webmail.vsi.ru@ns.sol.net>, > > > > > oleg@vsi.ru writes: > > > > > > Цитирую Bob K <melange@yip.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Does the FreeBSD community concerned with these > > "merged" > > > > and tested > > > > > >> patches ? > > > > > >> > Since I forced to merge these (and all new) security > > > > patches to 4.0 > > > > > >> and 4.3, I > > > > > >> > always can grant them to FreeBSD community. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Whether or not they get merged in with the older > > security > > > > branches, > > > > > >> perhaps you could combine your resources with these > > guys? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/freebsd-backports.html > > > > > > > > > > > > All right, I just wrote e-mail to hawkeyd@visi.com, and > > it > > > > was rejected by odd > > > > > > antispam filter. Does anybody know how to contact with > > this > > > > person ? Can I see > > > > > > him there, for example ? It seems that his antispam > > filter > > > > passion (see link on > > > > > > his page) plays poor joke with him ;-) > > > > > > > > > > No, SpamFilters isn't playing any joke - SpamAssassin > > > > > flagged your mail with "CHARSET_FARAWAY", meaning it > > > > > isn't something I'm able to read (supposedly), so > > > > > SpamFilters rejected it accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > I've lifted that particular SpamAssassin status, if > > > > > you wish to try again. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for thinking of me and my FreeBSD Backports > > > > > page though! Dave > > > > > > > > > > PS, I didn't know anyone here knew I had put up > > > > > SpamFilters! Yes, spam has become passion of mine. > > > > > > > > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > ------- End of Original Message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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