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Date:      Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:11:07 +0100
From:      Max Laier <max@love2party.net>
To:        Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@cell.sick.ru>
Cc:        net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: My planned work on networking stack
Message-ID:  <200403021611.07590.max@love2party.net>
In-Reply-To: <p0600200ebc6a27773c31@[10.0.1.3]>
References:  <4043B6BA.B847F081@freebsd.org> <20040302082625.GE22985@cell.sick.ru> <p0600200ebc6a27773c31@[10.0.1.3]>

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On Tuesday 02 March 2004 13:07, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 11:26 AM +0300 2004/03/02, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> >    Is there any plans about integration of BGP routing daemon (Zebra
> > or Quagga) into FreeBSD? With BGP routing daemon onboard, FreeBSD
> > will be a strong alternative against expensive commercial routers. I
> > have successfull experience of running FreeBSD STABLE with 2 full BGP
> > views for half a year. Modern i386 PC can route/filter/shape much
> > more traffic than expensive Cisco 36xx. I haven't yet compared with
> > 7000 series...
>
> 	Talk to people who have real-world experience in running
> zebra/quagga in ISP environments with multiple upstreams and taking
> full views.  The guy who is designing bgpd for OpenBSD gave a talk on
> the subject at FOSDEM, and it was very enlightening to hear about the
> problems with zebra (which went commercial and the open source
> version basically hasn't been touched in years) and quagga (which is
> a community of zebra users trying desperately to fix the worst of the
> bugs), and how he has used this information during his design of a
> replacement, and the methodology he used to make sure that the
> resulting system is robust and capable of being used in real-world
> production environments.
>
<...>
>
> 	If anything, I'd be inclined to look towards his work for OpenBSD
> and see if that could be imported into FreeBSD (and maybe improved,
> with contributions given back to him), rather than mess around with
> crap like zebra or quagga.

Yes, please! Henning is a hero ;) still I'd give him some time to get this 
stable at OpenBSD before porting it over. I believe that he has plans to 
have it stable for 3.5 (due date May 1st), but I'd give it another 
release before speaking of a really stable system. With other things on 
my list: ALTQ and CARP most noteable, FreeBSD could make a very good 
routing solution.

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