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Date:      Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:55:16 -0400
From:      Joe Maloney <jmaloney@ixsystems.com>
To:        mueller6722@twc.com
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12
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Thanks for the drm-next efforts.  I could not, and would not be using
FreeBSD without it.

Joe Maloney

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:58 AM Thomas Mueller <mueller6722@twc.com> wrote:

> Excerpt from Oliver Pinter:
>
> > Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver
> > developments works from the corporation side.
> > They not bother about any of the BSDs, they focus only to Windows and
> > Linux. If you want to use a recent (haha recent, something after  2014)
> you
> > are forced to use new drivers from linux.
> > The fore/advantage on the Linux side are the zillions of corporately paid
> > kernel developers.
> > They can just focus on a new hw supports, on freebsd side, there are no
> > corporately paid drm driver developer. Sadly.
> > In linux word their internal KPI (try a Google for a "stable API
> nonsense"
> > words) moves so fastly, that porting of these drivers gets non trivial
> > without a dedicated paid team.
>
> > If you want to change on this situation, try to learn for you could help
> or
> > send directed donations to freebsd foundation. ;)
>
> Linux and FreeBSD are not the only open-source OSes.
>
> There is also (Net, Open, DragonFly)BSD, Haiku, OpenIndiana and others.
>
> Maybe better would be for the hardware manufacturers to release more
> general specifications that could be adapted to any OS, by the NetBSD
> developers, Haiku developers, etc.  Certainly not to ignore Linux.
>
> Tom
>
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