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Date:      Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:48:38 +0100
From:      Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach <johannes-maria@t-online.de>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Cc:        Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au>
Subject:   Re: Unable to boot from internal hard disks on new PC
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Hello,

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 06:31:28AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
> Hi, just a couple of thoughts from left field.
> I've avoided UEFI and Secure Boot and come from another era, but
> FWIW I'll cherrypick a bit ..
>
> On 28 December 2022 10:52:57 pm AEDT, Johannes-Maria Kaltenbach <johannes-maria@t-online.de> wrote:
> [..]
>
>  >   Secure Boot Mode                                      Custom
>
> Didn't you say you'd disabled that?  What does 'Custom' come to?

yes, I did. Otherwise I could not have booted the 13.1 USB stick.

First I looked for every line with the words Secure Boot and
changed to another value; there were only two values, Standard
and Custom. But this didn't help, still the PC tried a Secure
Boot and failed.

I asked the supplier how to get rid of this Secure Boot.
His answer: disable CSM Support, then there will appear the
item Secure Boot (which it did and could not by found earlier)
and then I should choose Enabled for Secure Boot and Custom
in Secure Boot Mode.

Before asking the supplier of the PC I looked for Secure Boot in
the internet, found only that I should choose Other OS in the item
'Windows 10 Features'; so did this also.

And then I could boot at least from extern USB Stick.

>  >
SATA Controller(s)                                    Enabled
>
>  > In 'Plug in Devices Info' I found the disks:
>  > PCIE Slot Info
>  >   PCIEX16: N/A
>  >   PCIEX1_1: N/A
>  >   PCIEX1_3: N/A
>  >   PCIEX1_4: PCIe 3.0x2 @ 3.0x1
>  >   PCIEX1_5: PCIe 3.0x2 @ 3.0x1
>
> Is that 2 pairs of disks on 2 controllers, or what?

yes, they are for removable 2.5" disks; slots still empty
(https://www.icydock.de/goods.php?id=227).

>
>  > M2 Slot Info
>  >   M2A: WD_BLACK SN770 500GB NVMe 4.0x4 @ 4.0x4
>  >   M2P: N/A
>
> Main thing I've wondered: maybe it's expecting to boot off that,
> at least preferably?

Yes; I wanted to do this later, first install on a SATA disk
(as in my old PC) and then learn something about NVMe (of which
I've not heard before).
[Ralf sent me a link I wanted to look at today an then try to
install 13.1 on that SSD; hat not yet the time but I'll try.]

> Have you considered removing it to see if it then sees the SCSI disks?

Not yet; hadn't this idea and not sure I know how.


>  > Boot
>  > ----
>  >
>  > Boot Configuration
>  >   Bootup NumLock State                                  Off
>  >   CFG Clock                                             Disabled
>  >   Security Option                                       Setup
>  >   Full Screen Logo Show                                 Enabled
>  >
>  > Boot Option Priorities
>  >   #1 UEFI: HTTP IPv4 Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
>  >   #2 UEFI: PXE IPv4 Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
>  >   #3 UEFI: HTTP IPv6 Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
>  >   #4 UEFI: PXE IPv6 Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
>
> That seems to only cater for net booting.  How did you get it to
> boot from the USB installer?

This was the state when all USB sticks were detached.
[Ralf had asked: 'Did you click each sub menu of all BIOS menus,
while all USB sticks were detached?'. So that's what I did here;
there's no disk; with the USB sticks attached they are both here
and bootable.]

I don't boot over the net; should I delete these four entries
with efibootmgr? [I've already disabled them, so now this list
contains only entries from USB sticks.]


>  >   Fast Boot                                             Enabled
>
> Maybe a slower boot might show more, or for longer, about what
> it's doing, or trying to do?

The other options are 'Ultra Fast' and 'Disable Link' (whatever
that means). I didn't change the default.


>  > SATA Support                                          All SATA
>  > Devices
>  >   VGA Support                                           Auto
>  >   USB Support                                           Full Initial
>  >   PS2 Devices Support                                   Enabled
>
> [..]
>
>  >   Windows 10 Features                                   Other OS
>  >   SCM Support                                           Disabled
>
> What's that about?

sorry, s/SCM/CSM/

That was what I should choose to get rid of the problems with
Secure Boot (see above).
For this (Secure Boot) I've got some help from the supplier
but not for the problem with booting from the internal disks.
Or seeing the disks in Bios.
They think that's not their problem. But they proposed to
Enable CSM Support again. But then Save&Exit just let the
screen goes blank and I hat to remove the battery for some
time to reset the Bios.


>  > * Secure Boot
>  >   Preferred Operating Mode                              Auto

The Options for Preferred Operating Mode are Auto, Easy Mode
and Advanced Mode (with a note saying that Auto means: Bios
remembers which mode you exited last time; no info to the
other Modes).

Secure Boot opens a sub menu with the values:
Secure Boot             Disabled
Secure Boot Mode        Custom
and Keys that allow booting.

> Again I wonder what that means, if not disabled?
>
>  > What should I do with this Bios to be able to boot from
>  > the internal disks?
>
> Good luck, though you shouldn't need luck with that sort of kit ...

that's what I thought and hoped for (still hope finding a solution).

Best regards,
Johannes-Maria





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