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Date:      Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:16:10 -0800 (PST)
From:      Tom <tom@uniserve.com>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        shimon@simon-shapiro.org, thyerm@camtech.net.au, current@freebsd.org, Studded@dal.net, kong@kkk.ml.org, Alex Nash <nash@mcs.net>
Subject:   Re: Commit Approval (was Re: Firewall in kernel? - Found it! )
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980112150554.22477O-100000@shell.uniserve.com>
In-Reply-To: <199801121334.AAA00363@word.smith.net.au>

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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote:

...
> I can't imagine what else you might be doing.  It's certainly not an 
> observation, as it has no basis in any observable fact or history, and 
> I was being too polite to suggest you were delusional...  8)

  I don't know about that.  Current has been broken quite a bit
lately.  A good proof of this is NFS.  When is the last time NFS worked
properly?  NFS seems to have fallen from grace from the 1.1.5.1 days, when
people were ditching linux and others because of the rock-solid NFS in
FreeBSD.  Lots of this stuff in the archive.  But now, NFS isn't that
dependable.  See archives again.

...
> And an automated buildability checker will help here?  One with 
> 'buildworld' latency?  Why not educate the developer population instead?
> Rather than frustration and rejected commits, you get increased 
> productivity and happier hackers.
> 
> Why is it that prohibition is so much easier to advocate than 
> commonsense?

  Commonsense?  Prohibition?  Who knows...  I don't understand why some
developers are forced to make changes on branches, while others check
stuff into the mainline branch?  Perhaps branches should be used more
often?  This might prevent FreeBSD from getting stuck with unfinished
chunks of code in the mainline branch.

Tom





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