Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:03:49 -0700 From: "Jim Bodkins (Prologic)" <bodkins@prologic.com> To: <freebsd-java@freebsd.org> Subject: Java and why I have trouble sleeping. Message-ID: <001a01c100de$ffbd72b0$251cd3d0@bodkins>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Hi, Jesse Noller - The problem that I had with JRun was the depricated version of tar that was used to build elements of the .sh not JRun itself. I have never managed to untar the thing. I did install an "old" version of tar and even that didnt work. So whether JRun works or not, I have no idea. Dead end right now. I tried posting in general JRun questions on the allaire forum (that cold fusion thingy) but didnt get very far. Gabor Kinces - Thanks for the info. I'll bet you are right about the Hot Spot VM and threads. I tried posting to the Enhydra lists, but was blocked "for review" or something by a moderator. Not much help there actually. Ernst de Haan - A port should be easy, but this is so far an expeditianary foray into the world of java servlets. Doing a port would mean supporting the port for some time. If I were working in this area (which might happen) I would definitely do it. I'll think about it. Honestly, it's just install Linux-jdk1.4beta port (I had to hunt that down on the ftp server), define JAVA_HOME (/usr/local/Linux-jdk1.4beta) and JAVA_BIN (/usr/local/Linus-jdk1.4beta/bin/java), untar the resin archive somewhere (/usr maybe) ,from /usr/resin-2.0.0 run configure, make, make install, cd /usr and "resin-2.0.0/bin/httpd.sh start" and it's up. It was like 20 minutes time. Also, as I recall Orion installed ok but fubared when run. I'll try it again and take notes if you like. (Although I dont have that version of the Linux jdk installed right now). As a comment from a programmer that has "heard" a great deal about Java and it's portability, I think it is odd that Java has this much difficulty with portability. I have less trouble with perl or tcl/tk, (I'm primarilly a C/C++ programmer). Cross platform portability will exist if and when pure java apps can in fact be moved between platforms. I dont see that yet. It might be nice once it happens though. Since this is supposed to be a "platform independent" system, I really have no choice but to use the lastest from Sun. Using a specific implementation on a specific OS defeats the purpose IMO. Nice feedback by the way. Thanks. Jim bodkins@prologic.com [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Jesse Noller - The problem that I had with JRun was the depricated version of tar that was used to build elements of the .sh not JRun itself. I have never managed to untar the thing. I did install an "old" version of tar and even that didnt work. So whether JRun works or not, I have no idea. Dead end right now. I tried posting in general JRun questions on the allaire forum (that cold fusion thingy) but didnt get very far.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Gabor Kinces - Thanks for the info. I'll bet you are right about the Hot Spot VM and threads. I tried posting to the Enhydra lists, but was blocked "for review" or something by a moderator. Not much help there actually.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Ernst de Haan - A port should be easy, but this is so far an expeditianary foray into the world of java servlets. Doing a port would mean supporting the port for some time. If I were working in this area (which might happen) I would definitely do it. I'll think about it. Honestly, it's just install Linux-jdk1.4beta port (I had to hunt that down on the ftp server), define JAVA_HOME (/usr/local/Linux-jdk1.4beta) and JAVA_BIN (/usr/local/Linus-jdk1.4beta/bin/java), untar the resin archive somewhere (/usr maybe) ,from /usr/resin-2.0.0 run configure, make, make install, cd /usr and "resin-2.0.0/bin/httpd.sh start" and it's up. It was like 20 minutes time. Also, as I recall Orion installed ok but fubared when run. I'll try it again and take notes if you like. (Although I dont have that version of the Linux jdk installed right now).</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> As a comment from a programmer that has "heard" a great deal about Java and it's portability, I think it is odd that Java has this much difficulty with portability. I have less trouble with perl or tcl/tk, (I'm primarilly a C/C++ programmer). Cross platform portability will exist if and when pure java apps can in fact be moved between platforms. I dont see that yet. It might be nice once it happens though.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Since this is supposed to be a "platform independent" system, I really have no choice but to use the lastest from Sun. Using a specific implementation on a specific OS defeats the purpose IMO.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Nice feedback by the way. Thanks. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="mailto:bodkins@prologic.com">bodkins@prologic.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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