Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:02:45 +0100 From: Andreas Nilsson <andrnils@gmail.com> To: Matthew Macy <mmacy@nextbsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>, blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant Message-ID: <CAPS9%2BSuye9xAc70T%2Bti9OzyVyKteUxMrK3RE9ACCTte6kj%2BX5Q@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAPS9%2BSthW_FkQG4x473SdTgr4X=uBNqYPCJv8_qC8zbyq7c6%2Bg@mail.gmail.com> References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20161231131150.GA3514@lonesome.com> <20161231160319.1a77a8fd@azsupport.com> <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> <CALM2mEmmtx%2B%2BP6XCRgie_TGv6c7_zwtDJMX1cQ-guC=CLfdRcw@mail.gmail.com> <15965d3f462.e563526350116.951917747823032795@nextbsd.org> <CALM2mEnmi1LNDmAhcKJTBi8f%2Bb-g2=6Cc4%2BKqTuJSdzhOSc8Fg@mail.gmail.com> <159663a3ce5.1150200c6170891.7342168662165756909@nextbsd.org> <CALM2mE==jufHpDoV2saC9E1_MXf%2BgJGVNFUJF3mJM2DHgQgj-g@mail.gmail.com> <159666235c7.123958e86174268.1988566489792006158@nextbsd.org> <CAPS9%2BSt57Cy0-YCGFuHi8hxpvTwMBGcyPLFFrYTyWkwwQ%2BXb5w@mail.gmail.com> <CAPS9%2BSthW_FkQG4x473SdTgr4X=uBNqYPCJv8_qC8zbyq7c6%2Bg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jan 3, 2017 23:10, "Matthew Macy" <mmacy@nextbsd.org> wrote: ---- On Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:37:30 -0800 blubee blubeeme < gurenchan@gmail.com> wrote ---- > Well, knowing things like this up front would be helpful or is it just insider knowledge from people who were around at that time this stuff was going on. These are genuine questions I'm asking. It's not widely discussed. It reflects badly on FreeBSD as well to have a former contributor react like that. Nonetheless, it illustrates the frustration that contributors to this area might experience. > There's no reason for any corporation to fund BSD graphics work so I'm not even thinking about that. I doubt there's any funds to pay even a single developer. Barring tablet / kiosk development - which I see no case for, given the wide adoption of Android, Google's deep pockets, and the fact that no one is really making money off of *that*. > The more you look around the more it seems like there's a lot more to this issue. I am going to make contributions but I'd like to avoid reinventing the wheel but I also don't want for freebsd to be dependent on things outside its control which seems nuts. Every year new graphics hardware comes out and applications come to depend on new interfaces. The FreeBSD community has little say in either. -M _______________________________________________ freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I for one would like to Matthew Macy for advancing the graphics stack as far as it has come. I find it easier to keep up with drm-next 4.7 than xorg-next. I do have some issues on a x1-yoga, where chromium sometimes distorts X, without any real logs. Anyhow, FreeBSD in this state is more productive than win10-dev builds which certainly have come a long way. OS X have some other benefits. Suspend-resume that is. Osx failed me 3 times in 3 years of 20-times a day usage, vs fbsd which on my x1 yoga has never worked. oh, it suspends fine, but video is borked on resume. But that is fine, sometime that will be worked out. FreeBSD is where I feel at home. X might be somewhat behind, but it is better now than what it has been. With Mr. Macy's patches we are getting there. Let's hope his foundational patches gets included so we can move on with integrating linux-upstream releases as ports in a more timely fashion. I wish Mr. Macy and all of you a good 2017. Best regards Andreas
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