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Date:      Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:42:07 -0700
From:      Don Wilde <dwilde1@ibm.net>
To:        Stuart Henderson <stuart@internationalschool.co.uk>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: makes you wonder...
Message-ID:  <353CE87F.EFF21D85@ibm.net>
References:  <199804181916.VAA14407@yedi.iaf.nl> <19980418213331.18062@jraynard.demon.co.uk> <35398553.F354E2DF@ibm.net> <19980419103704.62237@jraynard.demon.co.uk> <353C8D33.27BA1FD@internationalschool.co.uk> <353CB156.3B1FDDB9@ibm.net> <353CBBB6.9D26A329@internationalschool.co.uk>

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Stuart Henderson wrote:

> One good thing that came out of that, is that most internet providers in
> the UK support CHAP. All the ones I know about do anyway (about 175,000
> users between them). Maybe ppp needs to fetch the IP address for the DNS
> server though, I'll ask Brian what he thinks :-)
> 
I have Linux PPP configs for IBM.net, I need to get the time to set it
up here. If I can do that relatively out-of-the-box, we can give them
internet, not dialup, from a local call almost everywhere. I've been
spoiled so far by having part of a T1 to use, but I now have to learn
dialup.

> > I would prefer Java to Perl, but I haven't had enough time to sit
> > down and dig into the JDK yet to understand its ramifications.
> 
> There's a lot that can be done with perl, plus it has the advantage you
> can use Lynx as well :-)

Unfortunately, Perl is such a misbegotten abortion (personal opinion of
one who's forced to maintain and add to 200K of Perl code done _before_
the modules were in common usage) that it's enough to scare anybody off
computing forever. What the heck does $| = 1; mean? (example) That's why
I'd like to look at Java. I would prefer Tcl as a cleaner scripting
language, but Perl is much more complete (with CPAN modules).

> Have to check with Netscape about distribution as well 'cos v5 just
> isn't going to cut it if we want it to look stable :-) ISTR they let
> pretty much anyone distribute nowadays though so it might not be a
> problem.
> 
How does Mozilla.org feel about releasing NS3 source? I'd prefer that.

> > with the tools we give them. Now, if we could do PPP and actually
> > bootstrap them into DL the real FreeBSD onto their HDD... :))))
> 
> I don't think that would be popular here, we have to pay for all phone
> calls :(

I was referring to PPP to a provider. IBM gives you a month for free.
>From that it's just a trip to the nearest mirror of FBSD.

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