Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:38:39 -0600 From: David Wilk <admin@cia-g.com> To: Christopher Schulte <schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org> Cc: David Wilk <admin@cia-g.com>, Fernando Gleiser <fgleiser@cactus.fi.uba.ar>, David Kramer <david@thekramers.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Linux or Solaris Message-ID: <20020625133839.A22573@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020625132254.046a0f00@pop3s.schulte.org>; from schulte%2Bfreebsd@nospam.schulte.org on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:42:36PM -0500 References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206251236040.24044-100000@kramer.thekramers.net> <20020625135153.M403-100000@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625121305.03d1f270@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020625120402.A7861@cygnus.wks.Gallup.cia-g.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020625132254.046a0f00@pop3s.schulte.org>
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Yes, absolutely. Your approach is well balanced and logical. Although relatively new to BSD, there's alot I really like about it. Even the linux fans (well most anyway) drool with envy when it comes to FreeBSD's VMS and VFS among others. I find I no longer want wiz-bang, but more reliability. I want to dump a huge load on my server, leave it for a couple years, and come back to find it churning away just fine. I have no doubts about FreeBSD here. Anyway, didn't mean to rant, just to give props to the Debian folk who have the most FreeBSD of all linux distros (well, save for the sysV init...) On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:42:36PM -0500 or thereabouts, Christopher Schulte wrote: > At 12:04 PM 6/25/2002 -0600, David Wilk wrote: > >However, I gotta disagree with the linux comments. First, the linux kernel > >is developed independant of the distributions, but not without regard to the > >userland utilities that it will work closely with. Second, it is the > >distributions job to integrate these two worlds so that they work seamlessly. > >Third, if you have not tried it, check out Debian. This *huge* group of > >developers work very hard to make an incredibly large number of packages > >available that are all tested as part of a complete system. Package > >management > >is awesome. two commands bring your installed base up-to-date with both > >security > >and bugfixes - services shutdown and restarted automagically. Releases take > >a while, so a system can seem a bit out-of-date, but are always solid. > > Thanks for the Debian heads up. I'll certainly give that a whack next time > I have time to evaluate new OS distributions. > > >having the kernel separate from the system has the advantage of being able to > >do a complete release upgrade without taking down the system (you lose each > >service for a few seconds), or, upgrading the kernel for some new feature > >without having to upgrade the entire system. > > FreeBSD is much more anal about userland/kernel synchronization than > linux. If you just want to compile a new kernel without updating the > source, that is easily done. `make kernel KERNCONF=MYBOX` > > If you need to update your kernel source to use a newly imported feature or > bugfix, then officially you must also update your userland world. On the > upside of this downside: the process is implemented well, and when done > with care should not cause problems. > > Keep in mind there are situations even in linux where newer libraries > (libc?) do need a minimum kernel revision..... but yes it's generally much > more flexible than FreeBSD in this respect. I myself do not place a high > weight on this due to my systems' configurations and update routines. > > As always, YMMV. Try a few different systems, use the one which jives best > with your personality, requirements, and environment. > > >Dave > > -- > Christopher Schulte > http://www.schulte.org/ > Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org > email address. This address is valid. > -- ******************************* David Wilk System Administrator Community Internet Access, Inc. admin@cia-g.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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