Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:16:59 -0700 From: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Cc: freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <abe87ed9c4a58ba8b64a465b646ae9f66b01ed27.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <CAPyFy2Aa6Uj0nyQ1Y_KPLd7%2BROJ4xW5i-SpctV1sRVK_BivPHw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2D91v7SwjZOgMG0a9V%2BH6GVCF8NHKp341N8mwnCvA71cA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BP3hFHuFJyo2M-5pc0%2BCmRiyym1TZ81P5xicR4zED1JQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo%2BGOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi%2BTdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com> <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk>
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On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 21:11 +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > In message <D140BA2A-71F3-4574-9015-675950705AF2@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>, > Paul Mather writes: > > On Dec 4, 2019, at 4:24 AM, Robert Clausecker <fuz@fuz.su> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:29:57AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp > > > wrote: > > > > In message < > > > > CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo+GOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi+Tdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com > > > > >, Ed Maste writes: > > > > > > Indeed. For example, on a Raspberry Pi 3B, it takes multiple > > > days to > > > build world as the build must be done single threaded due to a > > > lack of > > > RAM (building LLVM is the worst offender here). > > I plugged in a "WD SSD Passport" USB disk, it supports BIO_DELETE and > performs so much better than a SD card, that swapon(8) is a good > idea. > > I will also repeat again: We ignore the RPi4 at our peril. > > RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular > for educators. > > We may not want to use them ourselves, but we should keep that > part of the on-ramp open, in particular for young people. > Everybody loves to opine about how valuable rpi support is, but nobody steps up to do the work. (I'm not doing it because I'm firmly among the group who hates the platform, and I also disagree that there is any value to freebsd at all in supporting it. Indeed, quite the opposite, I think trying to support it is more expensive than we can afford and comes at the cost of supporting better hardware.) -- Ian
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