Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:46:59 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> To: fredrik@speechcraft.com Cc: jmallett@xMach.org, dscheidt@tumbolia.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The desktop apathy Message-ID: <20010527124659K.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105272129090.133-100000@molly.telia.com> References: <20010527121833P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105272129090.133-100000@molly.telia.com>
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> I guess so... I'm a Windows programmer by profession (hears chants of > "Burn the heretic!" ;) I wish you'd mentioned that at the beginning of the conversation - I could have saved myself some time. ;-) > Speaking of which, If I buy a copy of MacOS X, will I get development > tools and such along with it, or do I have to buy a third-party > product? I've been meaning to get me one of those G4's and MacOS X to test > it, but where can I get the programming tools for it? Yes, you'll get all the project manager / appbuilder stuff on a 2nd CD, along with gcc, gdb, etc for command-line oriented development. It's probably already been apparent in my comments so far, but I'll just state it directly for the record: I'm impressed as hell with what Apple has done with OS X. They're the first mainstream company to really provide the best of both worlds in a single OS. The visual tools are all reasonably close to being best-of-breed in their respective categories, meaning you Windows programmer types can find tools like VisualBasic to get you going quickly and make your semi-psychotic, demanding bosses happy that you actually hit your ridiculously short deadlines. At the same time, if you're a grizzled Unix programmer you can quickly open a terminal window and be using your shell of choice along with the same emacs, gcc and gdb type tools that you've grown to know and possibly even love. It's not a hobbled desktop environment requiring massive shims like CygWin to achieve portability for Unix or "real life" POSIX apps by any means. That's very cool. The fact that Apple is also managing to make money on it makes me reasonably confident that they're not just going to pull an Eazel on us in the future. In the corporate context, at least, there can be such a thing as being TOO open source. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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