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Date:      Wed, 27 May 1998 18:46:14 -0700
From:      Joey Garcia <bear@pacificnet.net>
To:        dwilde1@ibm.net
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Hardware Partners ad Advocates
Message-ID:  <3.0.1.32.19980527184614.0069bbdc@pacificnet.net>
In-Reply-To: <356C273D.F7A21AB3@ibm.net>
References:  <3.0.1.32.19980526193050.0069c08c@pacificnet.net>

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At 07:46 AM 5/27/98 -0700, Don Wilde wrote:
>I don't know the answer to your question, Joey, but I sure do know of
>one Dell salesman who's really disappointed at losing a $20,000 order
>because his RAID controller manufacturer wouldn't play ball with us.
>

Us?  As in your or the FreeBSD world?  That's kind of interesting to hear
though.

The way I see it...those "big box" companies really wouldn't be losing much
considering that they can pirate their own FreeBSD cd's (sort of like how
CheapBytes does it, but different) then install it on compatible
hardware...build a custom kernel for their hardware and server
purposes...and BAM!!....you got a "big box" FreeBSD server.  All the money
that would go to MS for licenses can be saved, or used to market their new
FreeBSD servers.  Ah hell, even if it's not FreeBSD exclusively...there are
commercial OS's out their that can kick NT's ass anyday...like BSDi and
Solaris.  They're commercial and they run on Intel.  If people ask, "Why
can't I run 2 pentiums?"  We just tell them that Unix is designed so well
that it doesn't need it. :)

I don't know....that's just the way I see it and apparently, they don't see
it my way.  Maybe my way isn't feasable?  Maybe my way is more costly?
*shrug*


>Dell corporate has too much invested in the Wintel money machine. They
>will not switch. Our chances would be better with an Acer or -- better
>yet -- a Japanese manufacturer who we could get our Japan FreeBSD
>advocates to help us with. ALR or AST, maybe? They have server-class
>hardware, and Japanese investment.

When I used to go to UCI (and I keep asking myself why I dropped out), they
used to have *ALOT* of AST machines.  They kicked the Mac machines butt any
day.  That was back before the Pentium craze started, when 486's rulled the
world.  hehehe  Didn't AST go out of business, or they lost alot of money
or something?  I heard some rumors along time ago about that.  I heard that
AST made all their own hardware.  Is that true still (or was it ever true)?

It would be interesting to see major computer vendors to promote Intel Unix
on their server products.  Would be interesting indeed. :)

Talk to ya later,

Joey 

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