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Date:      Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:33:05 +0100
From:      Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net>
Cc:        "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org>, George Neville-Neil <gnn@neville-neil.com>
Subject:   Re: A proposal for code removal prior to FreeBSD 13
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Am 18.12.18 um 17:00 schrieb Warner Losh:
> Being too old isn't the only reason. That's one of the many reasons
> articulated. The age of the code, the lack of innovation, the severe
> technical deficiencies, the sparse use, the lack of maintainer, the opinion
> of the domain experts in this field (Ian, myself, George and Poul-Hennig)
> which say this is poo, the nature of the commits in the last decade
> suggesting it's more of a drag on the tree than a help, etc. All strongly
> suggest it's time to go. Don't get hung up on any one of these being
> insufficient on its own: taken all together it's clear timed costs more
> than the benefit it brings to the project.
> 
>>         1) It is only used by a small group of people (we should
>>            define what the size of that group is that makes things
>>            deprecatable.)  The non existant data we have that leads
>>            us to think it is ok to remove timed may be wrong, and
>>            the 17.4 commiters procedure is designed to help catch
>>            that.
>>
>         2) It has a reasonable replacement in ntpd
>>         3) It has a small, but perhaps measurable maintance cost.
>>            (Though this well now be born by who ever if anyone
>>            bothers to maintain your git version)
>>
> 
> It will be. My github branch is complete now. All that it needs is someone
> to create a port and I'll move it over to the project repo space. I'm
> doubtful anybody will step up, but I've done the hard work of extraction.

I do not use timed, but I'd be willing to create a port and perform the
same steps as done for the removal of CTM from head.

Just give me some time (I'm quite busy before the holidays), but I should
have sufficient spare time within the next 2 weeks ...

Regards, STefan



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