Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:33:05 +0100 From: Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org>, George Neville-Neil <gnn@neville-neil.com> Subject: Re: A proposal for code removal prior to FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <f4cae3d3-5dfa-05ad-12dc-c2c3d7cf3832@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqK9T3x8=z14pPbg7pLNfUz4JcErhSEEsJMvU5h_EnZFw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfqkh7eAbSn45cUW0LMtrz85rny_qX_xOEAp7CZ%2B8=3Y0g@mail.gmail.com> <201812180109.wBI19eaK098408@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <CANCZdfqK9T3x8=z14pPbg7pLNfUz4JcErhSEEsJMvU5h_EnZFw@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 18.12.18 um 17:00 schrieb Warner Losh: > Being too old isn't the only reason. That's one of the many reasons > articulated. The age of the code, the lack of innovation, the severe > technical deficiencies, the sparse use, the lack of maintainer, the opinion > of the domain experts in this field (Ian, myself, George and Poul-Hennig) > which say this is poo, the nature of the commits in the last decade > suggesting it's more of a drag on the tree than a help, etc. All strongly > suggest it's time to go. Don't get hung up on any one of these being > insufficient on its own: taken all together it's clear timed costs more > than the benefit it brings to the project. > >> 1) It is only used by a small group of people (we should >> define what the size of that group is that makes things >> deprecatable.) The non existant data we have that leads >> us to think it is ok to remove timed may be wrong, and >> the 17.4 commiters procedure is designed to help catch >> that. >> > 2) It has a reasonable replacement in ntpd >> 3) It has a small, but perhaps measurable maintance cost. >> (Though this well now be born by who ever if anyone >> bothers to maintain your git version) >> > > It will be. My github branch is complete now. All that it needs is someone > to create a port and I'll move it over to the project repo space. I'm > doubtful anybody will step up, but I've done the hard work of extraction. I do not use timed, but I'd be willing to create a port and perform the same steps as done for the removal of CTM from head. Just give me some time (I'm quite busy before the holidays), but I should have sufficient spare time within the next 2 weeks ... Regards, STefan
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