Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 22:34:43 +0800 From: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, "Simon J. Gerraty" <sjg@juniper.net> Cc: Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r284345 - in head: . bin/cat bin/chflags bin/chio bin/chmod bin/cp bin/csh bin/date bin/dd bin/df bin/domainname bin/echo bin/ed bin/expr bin/freebsd-version bin/getfacl bin/hostname bi... Message-ID: <55857A03.3040206@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <1434635292.1415.93.camel@freebsd.org> References: <201506131920.t5DJKwMH033508@svn.freebsd.org> <CAG=rPVfR3QbvYEM9Xdpxdhx_Aisj7Z0=mVig4HyUkk4uqQGrOg@mail.gmail.com> <950C4B23-B625-4173-A7C4-A4F1B2C5771D@gmail.com> <306889B5-3417-467C-965F-B011866E6F15@gmail.com> <450D8D9A-CBF2-445A-8221-4CD353591549@gmail.com> <16996.1434316874@chaos> <094A5FA6-7DB8-485E-84A8-C15D2A0BC9F6@gmail.com> <4710.1434319205@chaos> <1434635292.1415.93.camel@freebsd.org>
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On 6/18/15 9:48 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 15:00 -0700, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: >> Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Breaking source upgrades to later versions is painful. We want to make >>> sure fmake at least works with upgrade_checks so people can upgrade >>> from earlier versions of 8/9/10 to 11 without having to deal with a >>> lot of pain. >> I agree but 8 -> 11 is a very big jump. >> > Not really. We're in the midst of such a change at $work, but it will > be literally years before we're no longer doing anything with 8 and are > fully converted to 11. We'll have completely skipped 9 and 10 in the > process. That's the reality of being a company smaller than Yahoo or > Juniper -- we just don't have the resources to track -current. We're > lucky if we can get enough resources to make a jump every 4 or 5 years. > > In the meantime I've got to support building products on everything from > 6.x through -current using basically the same source base and build > machinery. The fmake->bmake change has been fairly painful; it's only > working at all for us because I've hacked fmake on 6.x and 8.x to > support a few crucial bmake features. > > -- Ian you could be working at my $JOB. we are upgrading from 8.0 to 10.x with an eye on 11.x as a possible next small hop. but we'll be shipping and fixing 8.0 for years.
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