Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:43:02 -0400 From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: 'Chet Hosey' <chosey@nidhog.com> Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F81@mailman.thenap.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Actually its easier to keep updated software on your machine if you're using FreeBSD, through ports, all you do is cvsup your ports collection and go into the directory of the program you want to install and type make install and it downloads and installs it, doesnt really get much easier than that, but really, what is wrong with something being easy, and understandable, I find it somewhat refreshing that not everything is as complicated as sendmail =) -----Original Message----- From: Chet Hosey [mailto:chosey@nidhog.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:17 PM To: Drew J. Weaver Cc: 'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org' Subject: OT: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) From what I've seen, RH has GUI tools for a lot of things (Linuxconf, I think?). RH seems much simpler to run (as an end user) than FreeBSD. You can download RPMs for everything, including the kernel. I know RedHat users who've never touched gcc. Even using ports requires slightly more knowledge than "Using Netscape, download coolproggie.rpm, open an xterm, and run rpm -i coolproggie.rpm". Under Debian, upgrading Bind for the security fix is a matter of "apt-get update; apt-get install bind". Hell, upgrading *everything*, system libs, init, X, name-your-vi-clone, emacs, bind, lynx, etc., is just "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade". The RedHat way of doing things allows one to avoid understanding. It seems that FreeBSD allows less ignorance. ________________________________________________________________________ Chet Hosey <chosey@nidhog.com> ________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box. > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Chet Hosey > <chosey@nidhog.com> > ________________________________________________________________________ > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > the REJECT list. > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > Bill > > -- > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P> <FONT SIZE=2>Actually its easier to keep updated software on your machine if you're using FreeBSD, through ports, all you do is cvsup your ports collection and go into the directory of the program you want to install and type make install and it downloads and installs it, doesnt really get much easier than that, but really, what is wrong with something being easy, and understandable, I find it somewhat refreshing that not everything is as complicated as sendmail =) </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Chet Hosey [<A HREF="mailto:chosey@nidhog.com">mailto:chosey@nidhog.com</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:17 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: 'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: OT: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>From what I've seen, RH has GUI tools for a lot of things (Linuxconf, I</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>think?). RH seems much simpler to run (as an end user) than FreeBSD. You</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>can download RPMs for everything, including the kernel. I know RedHat</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>users who've never touched gcc.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Even using ports requires slightly more knowledge than "Using Netscape,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>download coolproggie.rpm, open an xterm, and run rpm -i coolproggie.rpm".</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Under Debian, upgrading Bind for the security fix is a matter of "apt-get</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>update; apt-get install bind". Hell, upgrading *everything*, system libs,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>init, X, name-your-vi-clone, emacs, bind, lynx, etc., is just "apt-get</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>update; apt-get dist-upgrade".</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>The RedHat way of doing things allows one to avoid understanding. It seems</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>that FreeBSD allows less ignorance.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet Hosey</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>________________________________________________________________________</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>> Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --- quoth the raven, ---</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Chet Hosey</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > filling the disk?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > the REJECT list.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > keeping the 'net running.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML>help
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