Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:06:36 +0300 From: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Message-ID: <201009101806.36156.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> In-Reply-To: <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <C8AF9565.488C1%msommer@somware.com> <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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=CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Friday 10 September 2010 17:29:19 =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Ra= ndal L. Schwartz =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > >>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Sommer <msommer@somware.com> writes: >=20 > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. >=20 > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) >=20 > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. >=20 > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > then, we're stuck with Flash. >=20 > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > JavaScript. With javascript (and to be honest i do use a lot of ajax in my apps), soone= r or later someone will have to fallback to plain javascript debugging, and thats where he starts to get the feeling that he is moving back to the age, when langua= ges/platforms were unreliable, loosely defined, buggy, unpredictable,.... which is why ja= va in the browser was introduced in the first place. I think the timing with opensourcing java, the oracle acqusition, and the l= atest hype with terms (like web 2.0) which sound buzzy but mean nothing, created a rather peculiar environment w= here many dynamics seem to change but without a clear technological winner (like SUN was in the 90s) which wi= ll show the way. On the extreme opposite end sits adobe Flash, which does everything it is s= upposed to do but it is so closed and "anti-academic" that we shouldn't be even discussin= g it in here ;) Therefore, i dont think that we will see anything close to what applets(or = even flash) used to be. We might see products, (like JQuery as you said, or the tools from Google),= yes, but not technologies. >=20 > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. >=20 =2D-=20 Achilleas Mantzios
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