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Date:      Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Systems Administrator <geniusj@ods.org>
To:        Joe Gleason <clash@tasam.com>
Cc:        Nick Hibma <hibma@skylink.it>, FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve <geniusj@free-bsd.org>, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FW: Local DoS in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909011935460.50399-100000@ods.org>
In-Reply-To: <019d01bef4e1$46125ca0$256b52c6@tasam.com>

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They dont ship with a lot of mbufs to keep it running on slower and
less-capable machines.


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Jason DiCioccio                              | geniusj@free-bsd.org
FreeBSD - The Power to Serve                 | http://www.freebsd.org
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On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Joe Gleason wrote:

> True, I consider myself an a-typical Joe, but still the point is valid that
> a FreeBSD should be fairly resiliant and stable without needing to do alot
> of tweaking.  There is also the argument that setting resictions by default
> could mess up people who don't know to look at the resrictions when
> something doesn't work.  Probably some happy medium could probably be
> achived.
> 
> I think I would be happy with a default config in which:
> The average unprived user could not crash the system, but they could use
> alot of resources and slow the system down drasticly.
> 
> Joe Gleason
> Tasam
> 
> > The average Joe doesn't run FreeBSD
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > Jason DiCioccio                              | geniusj@free-bsd.org
> > FreeBSD - The Power to Serve                 | http://www.freebsd.org
> >                                              | http://www.ods.org
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Nick Hibma wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's one of the comments Microsoft makes when a security hole is
> > > discovered, switch off that, increase the security level here. It always
> > > makes me kind of mad, because that's not what the Joe Average does or
> > > is considers something he should do until it's too late.
> > >
> > > One of the features I like about Unix is for example free space
> > > available solely to the root user. It could be imagined that these
> > > things also apply to file handles, memory/swap space and other scarce
> > > resources.
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > > > Exactly what I mean! Limit file descriptors, and it also uses a lot of
> CPU
> > > > time so you can limit that too.. It will never crash the system with
> the
> > > > proper limits set :). They can run it all they want.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At 11:49 AM 9/1/99 -0600, FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve wrote:
> > > > > >If you have public access users, you should have login accounting
> in the
> > > > > >first place.. and yes, it does stop it :).. I verified this on a
> 3.2 box
> > > > > >with my login accounting setup..
> > > > >
> > > > > How does accounting stop it ?  Or do you mean it just discourages
> users
> > > > > from doing it ? How much overhead does accounting add to the system
> ?
> > > > > Also, limiting the amount of file descriptors can prevent it, as the
> 'bug'
> > > > > is essentially a resource starving issue (e.g. fork bomb)
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Mike
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mike Tancsa,                                    tel 01.519.651.3400
> > > > > Network Administrator,       mike@sentex.net
> > > > > Sentex Communications                   www.sentex.net
> > > > > Cambridge, Ontario Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
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