Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:22:00 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210712082200.4b958704@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210712015330.698cca7f904551c0b6b9f9c1@gmail.com> References: <CAKy4t%2B-1sKV8mTfcgfb2Vqo=h28ns8CtsTzyKPSVBU2W0qreLg@mail.gmail.com> <20210712015330.698cca7f904551c0b6b9f9c1@gmail.com>
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:53:30 +0300, Nyakov Nyakovski wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 22:02:29 +0200 David Raver wrote: >>Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a >>oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life >>expectancy in order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. >>Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > >Overall, you will get similar user experiences on lots of Linux >distributions. Linux not equal Ubuntu. Hi, For a wonder bread suitable for toasting isn't crisp after cooking it in a pot of boiling water. One user might be annoyed, if it requires a lot of work to enable countless needed services, while another user might be annoyed, if it requires a lot of work to disable countless counter-productive services. One user might be annoyed, if the workflow of a needed application does change with a weekly update and another user might be annoyed that after a weekly update, a need application doesn't provide the latest and greatest features introduced by upstream. Taking care to get advance information, is not the same as the need to have a doctorate. I never read War and Peace, how much reading, copying and pasting was done by Tolstoy? Without getting information in the first place, even the user-friendly OOTB approaches of Linux distros such as Ubuntu have got serious pitfalls. Even Ubuntu provides several approaches. While Ubuntu always follows the release model approach, not all releases are maintained for the same amount of time. The lifetime of a LTS release is longer, than that of non-LTS releases. After installing Ubuntu from the server image, the installed Ubuntu doesn't provide a GUI by default. While Ubuntu provides a lot of software easy to install by packages, not all packages are well maintained [1]. Some software updates are exceptions from the general update policy. Broadly speaking, in general software "foo" version 1.5 will never be updated to version 1.6 within a release cycle. Instead it will stay with version 1.5, but might get security patches, backported by maintainers, or it stays vulnerable for the rest of the release cycle [1]. Some software, Firefox comes to mind, gets updates even from version 1.5 to version 28.7 within a release cycle. Just to understand the policy of a user-friendly OOTB working Linux distro requires to get a lot of information in the first place, to avoid rude surprises subsequently. Regards, Ralf [1] "Main The main component contains applications that are free software, can be freely redistributed and are fully supported by the Ubuntu team [...] and that the Ubuntu security and distribution team are willing to support. When you install software from the main component, you are assured that the software will come with security updates [...]." - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main "Universe [...] Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software in the universe component, but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using these packages. [...]" - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Universe Actually most don't understand, since they just fire up the user-friendly GUI to install software, without being aware that even software installed from official Ubuntu repositories could be a security risk.
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