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Date:      Wed, 7 Jan 2015 23:05:59 -0800
From:      John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Nikos Vassiliadis <nvass@gmx.com>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r276747 - head/sys/netpfil/pf
Message-ID:  <20150108070558.GA1949@funkthat.com>
In-Reply-To: <54ADFB88.1090705@freebsd.org>
References:  <201501060903.t06934qp081875@svn.freebsd.org> <20150107204631.GG15484@FreeBSD.org> <AEFC5AEF-7700-426A-96D3-A14BF68CA9BC@lists.zabbadoz.net> <20150108003146.GL15484@FreeBSD.org> <54ADFB88.1090705@freebsd.org>

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Julian Elischer wrote this message on Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 11:37 +0800:
> On 1/8/15 8:31 AM, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 12:21:57AM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote:
> > B>
> > B> > On 07 Jan 2015, at 20:46 , Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > B> >
> > B> > On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 09:03:04AM +0000, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> > B> > C> Author: rodrigc
> > B> > C> Date: Tue Jan  6 09:03:03 2015
> > B> > C> New Revision: 276747
> > B> > C> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/276747
> > B> > C>
> > B> > C> Log:
> > B> > C>   Instead of creating a purge thread for every vnet, create
> > B> > C>   a single purge thread and clean up all vnets from this thread.
> > B> > C>
> > B> > C>   PR:                     194515
> > B> > C>   Differential Revision:  D1315
> > B> > C>   Submitted by:           Nikos Vassiliadis <nvass@gmx.com>
> > B> >
> > B> > I am not sure that this is a good idea. The core idea of VNETs
> > B> > is that they are isolated from each other. If we serialize purging,
> > B> > then vnets are strongly affecting each other.
> > B> >
> > B> > AFAIU, from the PR there is some panic fixed. What is the actual bug
> > B> > and why couldn't it be fixed with having per-vnet thread?
> > B>
> > B> You don???t 30000 whatever pf purging threads on a system all running, possibly competing for some resources, e.g., locks?
> >
> > Isn't a vnet, which is a jail, already a set of a dozen of processes? So,
> > if you are speaking of "30000 whatever pf purging threads", then you
> > already mean "1 mln whatever processes".
> Actually, no.
> as we have presetned it, a vnet is part of a jail.
> But, it was originally an independnent
> thing, like FIBS,  and a jail may exist with a single process.
>   I think one should be enough.. or if that it is not sufficient, then 
> at maximum, one per cpu

We really need to make a library that handles creating/scheduling things
like these better so people aren't reinventing them over and over again..

We do this in geli for creating threads for each geli worker...

Can't something like taskqueue_start_threads_pinned be used for this?

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