Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 03:10:07 -0700 From: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> To: Anton Shterenlikht <lists@cmplx.uk> Cc: stable@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] stable/15: new base packages for PAM, zstd Message-ID: <351d3db5-19d0-4652-a44e-b029a8105937@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <aeslKG5UCOmV0ROY@cmplx.uk> References: <adTq6tMP4GWQS35e@amaryllis.le-fay.org> <aeedOZ7VcQAOsQCV@cmplx.uk> <3847a70c-f2d8-4c4a-a5f0-56a4a90168b0@yahoo.com> <aeh6ddAuDClL4YFn@cmplx.uk> <aek7L4X26D0zQTU-@amaryllis.le-fay.org> <aenUvAuAGC8SgpKi__40328.3866167598$1776932059$gmane$org@cmplx.uk> <700c882a-ae24-403a-a8e0-5ceffed569ae@yahoo.com> <aeslKG5UCOmV0ROY@cmplx.uk>
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On 4/24/26 01:09, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 09:54:41AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: >> On 4/23/26 01:13, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 10:18:39PM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote: >>>> Anton Shterenlikht wrote in <aeh6ddAuDClL4YFn@cmplx.uk>: >>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 12:52:43PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: >>>>>> On 4/21/26 08:52, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 12:30:50PM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote: >>>>>>> I recently upgraded Lenovo T480 laptop from some 14.x relase to 15.0-RELEASE-p4. >>>>>>> I'm still figuring out the use of pkg for base upgrades. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a few weeks all was working more or less well (some unexpected >>>>>>> reboots, but I had no time to dig into that). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After reading your mail, I typed the pkg query command you suggested, >>>>>>> which returned nothing. >>>>>>> I then did "pkg install FreeBSD-set-minimal". >>>>>>> When that completed, I realised that my user is gone.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd I see that indeed >>>>>>> my user is not there anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you end up with the likes of: >>>>>> >>>>>> /etc/passwd.pkgsave >>>>>> /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave >>>>> >>>>> So what happened? >>>>> Is it expected that "pkg install FreeBSD-set-minimal" >>>>> should erase all ordinary users from /etc/master.passwd >>>>> and save the original file as /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave? >>>> >>>> no, something has gone wrong here. >>>> >>>> how did you install this system? >>>> >>>> /etc/master.passwd is in the FreeBSD-runtime package, which must always >>>> be installed on a pkgbase system. the only reason 'pkg upgrade' would >>>> overwrite it with a pristine copy is if you somehow didn't have that >>>> package installed, but if that was the case, the system would already >>>> be completely non-functional. >>>> >>>> the only way i can imagine this happening if you had a non-pkgbase >>>> system, then installed FreeBSD-runtime (e.g., as a dependency of >>>> FreeBSD-set-minimal), but this should not be possible in a normal >>>> non-pkgbase installation since the FreeBSD-base repository won't >>>> be enabled. >>> >>> I admit I got a bit complacent... doing major and minor >>> updates with freebsd-update for years about any issue, >>> that I stopped reading UPDATING, and such. >>> So all this is my fault probably. >>> >>> I used freebsd-update to upgrade from some 14.4 to 15.0. >> >> So 14.* was never in pkgbase form? > > correct > >> >>> >>> Once on 15.0, when updating ports, I noticed some differences, >>> read some posts, and found out about pkgbase. >> >> So the conversion to pkgbase started from a pnon-pkgbase 15.0 to produce >> a pkgbase 15.0? > > Not sure, maybe I never converted. > What does it mean to have a "pkgbase" system? It seems that you have some sort of partial update to pkgbase. What do the following show: # pkg -v # pkg repos -d # pkg repos -e # pkg info FreeBSD-\* That last could produce over 500 lines. > How can I check? > > BTW, I noticed that my versions diverged somehow: > > # freebsd-version -kru > 15.0-RELEASE-p4 > 15.0-RELEASE-p4 > 15.0-RELEASE-p6 This is what happens when one of the following is true: ) only the world had updates available, the kernel had no changes ) there were kernel updates that were not applied > >> >> Did you use https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify to do the >> conversion (no matter which FreeBSD version was the starting point)? > > no > > Does this mean my system is *not* a pkgbase system? You appear to have at least some pkgbase packages installed, but possibly not an appropriate set of them. > I.e. one must use pkgbasify, as per > https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/show/pkgbase > to convert an non-pkgbase 15.0 to a pkgbase 15.0? For your conversion . . . Did you try to follow the steps of the "Manual initial setup", despite them being older than covering conversion for 15.0? Did you instead try one of the U[pgrades proedures (Minor vs. Major?)? "13 to 14"? "Building'? > > I assumed that all I need is /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf > with ports, ports-kmods and FreeBSD-base. You had to use something that involved actual pkg commands in order to have the .pkgsave files generated. Merely having the configuration file(s) present would not cause that. > > Time to rtfm I guess... > > Thank you > > Anton > > -- === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.comhome | help
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