Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:01:45 -0500 From: Brian T.Schellenberger <bts@babbleon.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), Kenneth Culver <culverk@alpha.yumyumyum.org> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, "Steve B." <steveb99@earthlink.net>, "Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru>, <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: C vs C++ Message-ID: <20020306030145.01E6ABA03@i8k.babbleon.org> In-Reply-To: <15493.24457.986109.726909@caddis.yogotech.com> References: <3C8529DA.FA8ABCE@mindspring.com> <20020305164151.T5854-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> <15493.24457.986109.726909@caddis.yogotech.com>
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On Tuesday 05 March 2002 07:15 pm, Nate Williams wrote:
> [ moved to -chat ]
>
> > > Because that underlying assumption is false, and I'm making
> > > fun of it.
> >
> > Well, that in itself is wrong. C++ code IS harder to write and write
> > correctly and effeciently, as I would assume it is for any OO language.
>
> Not so. Having done C professionally for umpteen years, C++ for a
> little less than umpteen years, and Java for 4, I can say w/out
> reservation that C++ sucks. OOP programming doesn't *have* to be hard.
> C++ puts too many roadblocks in your way.
Amen to that.
> It not just because Java is newer that it's displacing C++ as the
> primary development language. It's because C++ as a language is *NOT*
> well-designed (design my commitee). C is becoming more and more like
> C++ in this regard. (And before Terry starts whining about strongly
> typed languages, let me state that IMO strongly typed languages are a
> good thing, since they allow you to verify your code at *COMPILE* time,
> vs. at runtime.)
Actually the problem isn't that it's designed by committee. The problem is
that it's UNdesigned--and that is *deliberate*. Read Stoustup (sp?)--he
explicitly *rejected* the idea of having a philosophy of the language--he
sees it as limiting the languages utility. This, naturally, leads to the
PL/I of the C family--an unholy mess of a lanaguage.
I was working on a debugger and we were exploring C++ and we kept having
meetings where we would discover another revelation about C++ and our jaws
would drop and go you can do WHAT??? Are they INSANE????
It's really awful.
Objective C, for exmaple, is a much better C-based OO language
I wouldn't recommend C++ to anybody for anything myself.
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