Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:47:36 -0400 From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, Brian Somers <brian@freebsd.org>, Ivan Radovanovic <rivanr@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Deprecating ps(1)s -w switch Message-ID: <200908251647.36679.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <4A944370.2000306@gmail.com> References: <20090825034054.2d57e733@dev.lan.Awfulhak.org> <4A943D06.405@FreeBSD.org> <4A944370.2000306@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday 25 August 2009 4:02:56 pm Ivan Radovanovic wrote: > Doug Barton napisa: > > Ivan Radovanovic wrote: > > > >> I totally disagree with you - being against change means that you > >> believe it is done the best way it could be done. > >> > > This argument is so non-sequitur that I'm tempted not to respond, but > > no, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that there > > are valid reasons to leave the defaults as they are, AND if you don't > > like the defaults there are easy ways to manipulate that in your own > > environment. > > > You wrote : > > Longer version, I don't see anything wrong with the defaults the way > that they are, and the fact that there is a teeny-tiny learning curve > for people who need to see the full output isn't really an issue that > deserves the time already spent on it. Bruce pointed out in the PR > that most users would be surprised if 'ps -ax | grep foo' suddenly > sprouted a lot more stuff that 'ps -ax' didn't have, and I agree. As a > matter of personal preference I find the current defaults to be just > lovely, and occasionally use -w or -ww if I need to see more. If you > want the default to be something different, that's what aliases are for. > > So, valid arguments against change should be: > 1. users will be surprised if ps starts displaying more stuff no matter if that stuff is correct and less stuff (current state) is incorrect > 2. your personal preference is that current defaults are lovely POLA -- John Baldwin
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