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Date:      Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:47:36 -0400
From:      John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Cc:        Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, Brian Somers <brian@freebsd.org>, Ivan Radovanovic <rivanr@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: Deprecating ps(1)s -w switch
Message-ID:  <200908251647.36679.jhb@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <4A944370.2000306@gmail.com>
References:  <20090825034054.2d57e733@dev.lan.Awfulhak.org> <4A943D06.405@FreeBSD.org> <4A944370.2000306@gmail.com>

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On Tuesday 25 August 2009 4:02:56 pm Ivan Radovanovic wrote:
> Doug Barton napisa:
> > Ivan Radovanovic wrote:
> >   
> >> I totally disagree with you - being against change means that you
> >> believe it is done the best way it could be done.
> >>     
> > This argument is so non-sequitur that I'm tempted not to respond, but
> > no, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that there
> > are valid reasons to leave the defaults as they are, AND if you don't
> > like the defaults there are easy ways to manipulate that in your own
> > environment.
> >   
> You wrote :
> 
> Longer version, I don't see anything wrong with the defaults the way
> that they are, and the fact that there is a teeny-tiny learning curve
> for people who need to see the full output isn't really an issue that
> deserves the time already spent on it. Bruce pointed out in the PR
> that most users would be surprised if 'ps -ax | grep foo' suddenly
> sprouted a lot more stuff that 'ps -ax' didn't have, and I agree. As a
> matter of personal preference I find the current defaults to be just
> lovely, and occasionally use -w or -ww if I need to see more. If you
> want the default to be something different, that's what aliases are for.
> 
> So, valid arguments against change should be:
> 1. users will be surprised if ps starts displaying more stuff no matter if 
that stuff is correct and less stuff (current state) is incorrect
> 2. your personal preference is that current defaults are lovely

POLA

-- 
John Baldwin



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