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Date:      Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:21:08 +0100
From:      Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
To:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, Ryan Stone <rysto32@gmail.com>
Cc:        Kubilay Kocak <koobs@freebsd.org>, freebsd-net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>,  Karl Pielorz <kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk>
Subject:   Re: lagg Interfaces - don't do Gratuitous ARP?
Message-ID:  <348d534d-ef87-f90c-aa43-cc65c2f6283c@multiplay.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <20160922025856.GH1018@cell.glebi.us>
References:  <0D84203FAAFD0A8E7BBB24A3@10.12.30.106> <bc33560b-59bc-01be-6a5d-7994ac121258@multiplay.co.uk> <6E574F1B61786E6032824A88@10.12.30.106> <2c62f5f0-3fb4-f513-2a8f-02de3a1d552f@FreeBSD.org> <20160921235703.GG1018@cell.glebi.us> <CAFMmRNwZBEJ9Me4FSh=W7fRNjm4344jiUGuJqX8KUB_0sWcajA@mail.gmail.com> <20160922025856.GH1018@cell.glebi.us>

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On 22/09/2016 03:58, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:12:11PM -0400, Ryan Stone wrote:
> R> > IMHO, the original patch was absolutely evil hack touching multiple
> R> > layers, for the sake of a very special problem.
> R> >
> R> > I think, that in order to kick forwarding table on switches, lagg
> R> > should:
> R> >
> R> > - allocate an mbuf itself
> R> > - set its source hardware address to its own
> R> > - set destination hardware to broadcast
> R> > - put some payload in there, to make packet of valid size. Why should it be
> R> >   gratuitous ARP? A machine can be running IPv6 only, or may even use
> R> > whatever
> R> >   higher level protocol, e.g. PPPoE. We shouldn't involve IP into this
> R> > Layer 2
> R> >   problem at all.
> R> > - Finally, send the prepared mbuf down the lagg member(s).
> R> >
> R> > And please don't hack half of the network stack to achieve that :)
> R>
> R> The original report in this thread is about a system where it takes almost
> R> 15 minutes for the network to start working again after a failover.  That
> R> does not sound to me like a switch problem.  That sounds to me like the ARP
> R> cache on the remote system.  To fix such a case we have to touch L3.
>
> Does lagg(4) hardware address change when it failovers?
>
It moves the address between interfaces which typically moves it between 
switches too.



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