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Date:      Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:07:54 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Mike Heffner <mheffner@vt.edu>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Importing lukemftpd
Message-ID:  <20010727120754.B34272@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010727101954.C43542@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:19:54AM -0700
References:  <XFMail.20010716212454.mheffner@novacoxmail.com> <20010717103604.B79329@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010719112221.A84356@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010719123015.A44746@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010719203700.B94074@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010719210332.A78418@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010727101954.C43542@dragon.nuxi.com>

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:19:54AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:03:33PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > You and John are being paid to work full-time on FreeBSD, and the
> > projects you mentioned are projects you do during your >8 hours a day
> > of paid FreeBSD hacking time.  If you were working on these in your
> > own time, say from 10pm at night after a hard day at work,
>=20
> When we work >8 hours a day, we *are* working on XYZ in our own time. :-)

And the project thanks you for it ;-)

> > but the deeply
> > embedded ones which rely on interactions between several different
> > parts of the code.  That requires someone to sit down for a week and
> > really become intimate with the code, which isn't something that most
> > people can do in their spare time for an hour or two here and there
> > (which is why no-one's done this so far).
>=20
> Who do you trust to do this review?  Me?  Anybody?  Only members of the
> S.O. team?  Any of the typical contributors to -audit?  Surely given your
> stance on this issue, just anyone coming forward saying they've
> "audited" the code will appease you.

I'd want to be convinced that a thorough job has been spent looking
for problems -- ultimately it comes down to someone I trust saying
"I've gone through the code thoroughly and didn't find any more
problems".  A good indicator of this will probably be patches fixing
problems in the code discovered during the audit :-)

Kris

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