Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 23:33:27 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> To: David Cross <dcrosstech@gmail.com>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) Message-ID: <2915699d-5139-43fd-80af-877c1d290e8d@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <159D15FA-6235-484C-A54A-565E3CDEA690@gmail.com> References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <159D15FA-6235-484C-A54A-565E3CDEA690@gmail.com>
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On 03/09/2024 21:36, David Cross wrote: [..] >> (The "toolchain-llvm" (meta-)port may have to be a short-cut, to >> not have the llvm port drag in everything and the kitchen-sink, >> which would be /precisely/ the same as the llvm which lives in src >> today.) >> >> This distribution format is neither more nor less perfect with >> respect to reproducible builds and "Reflections on trusting trust" >> than what we have today. >> >> And yes, we have ports written in Rust, why do you ask? >> >> Poul-Henning >> >> PS: I overdosed on release work 25+ years ago, and have not been >> paying them much attention since, but if this is what the pkgbase >> crew has been pushing for more than a decade, we all owe them an >> apology. > > As a quick note I constantly build freebsd from source. I do it for all of my systems for all updates, all patch releases. > > I may be an outlier here, but my impression from email, forum posts, and redit threads suggests it is at least somewhat common. > > There are ways to marry both worlds (like poudriere, which I also use to manage my empire), but I’d like to not completely discount the usecase; at the very least the ease of buildworld is important for the releasee engineering process > itself. We also build every update, or major version upgrade from /usr/src (and then distribute it to target machines by rsync as it is the fastest process for us) But I'm not saying it has to stay that way forever. I agree with what PHK describes. External toolchain or pkg base is a more promising future. Rebuilding LLVM / Rust (you name it) with each update of base or ports is a major pain now. Even if you need to rebuild a small subset of packages from ports you almost always end up rebuilding something that big and slow as LLVM, Rust, Cmake taking hours, but that's a different story. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman
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