Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:44:38 -0600 (MDT) From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> To: rwatson@freebsd.org Cc: arch@freebsd.org, ed@80386.nl, phk@phk.freebsd.dk, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reminder: non-mpsafetty drivers to be *dis*connected on Sunday Message-ID: <20080803.114438.2086213408.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0808031835440.18760@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl> <20080803.113253.-532680110.imp@bsdimp.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0808031835440.18760@fledge.watson.org>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
In message: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0808031835440.18760@fledge.watson.org>
Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org> writes:
: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, M. Warner Losh wrote:
:
: > In message: <20080801134435.GQ99951@hoeg.nl>
: > Ed Schouten <ed@80386.nl> writes: : Maybe I'm replying to too
: > many messages at the same time, but as John : said, it's a lot easier making
: > the remaining drivers work after the code : has been integrated. It's not
: > like we're permanently carving things into : stone - we've almost got a full
: > year to get it all working again.
: >
: > We've heard this promise before. It rarely has resulted in the promised
: > work. I don't think this is the right way forward.
:
: I have to admit that I was quite pleasantly surprised that so many
: network drivers became MPSAFE in the last couple of months, and USB
: will nicely round that out. It may help if Ed could take whatever
: notes he sent Peter about sio and drop them on the Wiki as the
: beginning of a howto on adapting drivers to the new tty layer. One
: thing I would really like to see is us taking this as an opportunity
: to get more people interested in maintaining the tty drivers we have
: -- now is a really good opportunity for people do adopt drivers and
: update them.
:
: I fall down a bit more on the Warner side here also: I think posting
: the docs in advance of removing the drivers, and having a couple of
: weeks gap between those events, is a much more productive way to
: achieve the goal of updated drivers. It also means that we don't
: have timeline gaps when serial drivers for devices are broken: when
: people are playing the binary search game to find some other
: problem, the last thing they want is to hit dates where their system
: consoles don't work.
Yes. It wouldn't kill us to push this out 4-6 weeks. Having the docs
available, even in the wiki form, would help quite a bit. We want to
harvest the enthusiasm people like Peter and Peter are showing to
convert their drivers.
Warner
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20080803.114438.2086213408.imp>