Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: jsd@jdyson.com To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Cc: jsd@jdyson.com Subject: Re: Personal patches and simple mutual respect Message-ID: <200401061821.i06ILmmX011908@dyson.jdyson.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040106103434.0496b008@localhost> from Brett Glass at "Jan 6, 2004 10:36:34 am"
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Brett Glass said: > At 12:44 AM 1/6/2004, jsd@jdyson.com wrote: > > > > It's Limbaugh who's hateful. As well as deserving of the other > > > epithets you mention above. > > > >Rather than discuss the merits or disadvantages of Limbaugh, > >your own vehemence is EXACTLY the reason why it is inappropriate > >to let too much political commentary poison the atmosphere > >in FreeBSD. > > Exactly. The concern is not that Limbaugh is on the political > left or on the political right but that he is hateful and > vindictive. He derides others and their viewpoints. THIS is why > he has no place in FreeBSD. > Again, you seem to talk past my statement. It is NOT Limbaughs opinions, or even his style, that make him wrong for FreeBSD. His subjects are OFF TOPIC for FreeBSD and unnecessarily motivates emotional discussion on divisive subjects. You are a poster child for the reason why CURRENT political commentators' opinions aren't appropriate for FreeBSD. Your own vehement reaction is equally felt by those who dislike other people on the "list" (but perhaps kept their criticizing comments to themselves.) Instead of creating an opt-in or opt-out list, it is best to expunge all *divisive* CURRENT political commentary. This isn't justified by truth or dishonesty by the commentator, but because of the unnecessarily negative and off-topic doctorinare responses to diverse opinion. THERE ARE PLENTY OF FORUMS FOR POLITICAL DISCUSSION, FreeBSD is obviously a poor choice for such discussion. Justifying removal IS NOT because of dislike of an individual style. The removal is justified because the subjects are OFF TOPIC, and encourage alot of overly partisan ranting. If I liked Al Franken, and found that someone was getting-off on hateful talk against him, started because of some of his quotes being included in FreeBSD, then I'd suggest removing Al's commentary. This isn't because of agreement/disagreement with Al, but it is because of the silly and divisive responses. I didn't suggest 'removal' because I agreed with/disaggreed with Rush, Michael Moore, Al Franken, etc... It is because of the (somewhat immature) reactions to the mention of the political commentator. You might not like straightforward criticism as a style, I might not like subversive, occult or dishonestly portrayed divisiveness. We can find all kinds of opinions on these matters, and it is VERY MUCH BEST to avoid CURRENT POLITICAL COMMENTARY, or CURRENT LIFESTYLE COMMENTARY. Nowadays, hate speech seems to be stimulated too easily, and it has NO BENEFIT for the FreeBSD project (IMO). The list of people that I provided (only a partial list, and only meant as examples): Al Franken, Michael Moore, Janeane Garafolo, Sean Hannity, Dr Laura, Neil Boortz, Alan Colmes, James Carville etc... Are all generally equally off topic. It isn't wrong to be intolerant of, or embracing of their ideas, but their subjects are mostly off topic for FreeBSD. John
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