Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> To: Brad Davis <brd@freebsd.org> Cc: rgrimes@freebsd.org, Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc Message-ID: <201806062035.w56KZhV8006721@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <1528311745.474139.1398838488.1527C06D@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> I find it often very useful to do > > > > > >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) > > > > > >>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact > > > > > >>> contains> > >>> non-editable content. Is this planned to keep working ? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The short answer is, no. All rc.d scripts get moved to the src > > > > > >> of the program they start.> > >> > > > > > >> That said, if there is a big need for this, we can see about > > > > > >> options to keep them working.> > >> > > > > > >> What are you trying to accomplish when you do this? Just verify > > > > > >> the rc.d scripts match your src tree?> > > > > > > > > I avoid mergemaster/etcupdate and whatever else. rc.d and /etc/rc,> > > /etc/rc.subr /etc/rc.network are not suitable to etc, they are > > > > > > binaries> > > provided by the project not for the user editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > When upgrading the host, esp. on HEAD, i usually refresh scripts > > > > > > by this> > > procedure and avoid any editing and implied conflict resolution > > > > > > for real> > > configs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not being able to easily install clean copies of these scripts > > > > > > would> > > be very inconvenient and time consuming. > > > > > > > > > > I found that "mergemaster -iFUP" deals with unchanged files > > > > > including mentioned rc* scripts just fine.> > That is, it automatically refreshes unchanged files without any > > > > > silly questions just for change of $FreeBSD$.> > > > > No, you missed the point. Whatever nice is the handling of > > > > unchanged files,> use of mergemaster forces me to handle changed files, which is exactly> what I do not want/need to do. Yes, I update crashboxes very > > > > often, and> I want to get all new code, including the startup scripts, when > > > > I update. > > > The startup scripts will be installed as part of installworld. > > > > So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod /etc/rc.d/ > > and other stuff > > that mght exist? > > One of the reasons that etc/Makefile is detached from Installword is so > > that > > /etc does not get perturbuted unless specifically requested. > > Yes, this is by design. This is going to have a great amount of push back, and this is by your NEW design, the existing design does not cause this pain. > > If people need custom tweaks for that stuff they should be upstreamed or moved into /usr/local/etc/rc.d as a custom startup script. I doubt very much this is a practical solution. I have changes that I doubt belong in FreeBSD, and are not restricted to etc/rc.d. And from reading this thread thus far so do others. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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