Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:46:27 -0400 From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: "'heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk'" <heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180F82@mailman.thenap.com>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.CDD2FD5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I suppose you are correct but that isn't to say that Redhat forces you to keep everything running, they have a nifty little util called ntsysv that lets you basically visually see everything its starting and tell it wether or not to do it, or you can always do it the old fashioned way via xinetd/inetd or through /etc/sysconfig/init.d. It doesnt really hurt to have all of those things starting by default at installation time, because if the user doesnt know enough to shutdown services that arent meant to be running than he will probably end up being hacked anyway through other mistakes of his/her own. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:27 PM To: Drew J. Weaver Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Compare a default redhat install to a default FreeBSD install, from a newbies perspective. Which one is more secure? FreeBSD. J On 2001.04.04 17:40 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to start > everything, > and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not to start everything > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Heckford [mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM > To: Drew J. Weaver > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > > IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due > to the fact it launches every damn service you > can think off, most of which are outdated and full of security > holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws a > fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI. > > FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a server > you can trust, without chewing your fingers off. > > Jamie > > On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote: > > Just an off topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all > > of > > equal "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me > > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make here? > > > > --- quoth the raven, --- > > > > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable > box. > > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of > > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chet Hosey > > <chosey@nidhog.com> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > > > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > > > filling the disk? > > > > > > > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > > > | doing this to you!!! > > > > > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > > > > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > > > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > > > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > > > the REJECT list. > > > > > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > > > keeping the 'net running. > > > > > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > > > > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > > <HTML> > > <HEAD> > > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; > charset=iso-8859-1"> > > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version > 5.5.2650.12"> > > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY> > > > > <P> <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off > > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all of equal > > "difficulty" to administer, I run all 3 and none of them make > > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're attempting to make > > here?</FONT></P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly > > accessable box.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really > > old versions of</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either > > - CLI, people!)</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT > SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet Hosey</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2><chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > > <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>_____________________________________________________________________ > ___</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > > </P> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing > > it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging > > everything and</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > filling the disk?</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > > version of bind...</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | Every kid with a script and an internet > > connection is probably</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > This response kind of bothers me. There was > a > > time</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers > I > > emailed</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. > > Similarly, when people</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > > emails.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you find a way this works let me know. > > I've given up doing this</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> because except for the most well known, I've > > received rejects from</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all mail addresses at the offending provider, > > root,abuse,</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave > up > > and put the in</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the REJECT list.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Those days responsible people, and not quick buck > > artists, we're</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache > > on my machine it</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there > > _was_ a great deal</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > > there's little mileage</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > > :)</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > > body of the message</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT> > > </P> > > <BR> > > > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body > of > > the message</FONT> > > </P> > > > > </BODY> > > </HTML> > -- > Jamie Heckford > Chief Network Engineer > Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. > > FreeBSD - The power to serve > > ===================================== > email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk > web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ > > tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 > fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 > mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 > > ===================================== > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is configured to > start everything, and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling it not > to start everything</FONT></P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Jamie Heckford [<A > HREF="mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk</ A>]</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep > crashing)</FONT> > </P> > <BR> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, due</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the fact it launches every damn service you</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>can think off, most of which are outdated and full of > security </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>holes, and when you try to update them linuxconf throws > a </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>fit becuase you didnt do it through a GUI.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as a > server</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>you can trust, without chewing your fingers off.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>Jamie</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Just an off topic > note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are all</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> equal "difficulty" to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make me</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make here?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Everybody should start with a *nix running on a > publicly accessable box.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really old versions of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X > either - CLI, people!)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FO NT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Chet Hosey</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ________________________________________________________________________</FO NT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno > Davids thus spoke:</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | > Is there any way to trace who is > doing it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > with certain filter settings to avoid > logging everything and</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > filling the disk?</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed > version of bind...</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | Every kid with a script and an internet > connection is probably</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > This response kind of bothers me. There > was a time</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > when everytime I could sanely trace > spammers I emailed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise > them. Similarly, when people</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory > emails.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > If you find a way this works let me > know. I've given up doing this</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > because except for the most well known, I've > received rejects from</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > all mail addresses at the offending provider, > root,abuse,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just > gave up and put the in</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > the REJECT list.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Those days responsible people, and not quick > buck artists, we're</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > keeping the 'net running.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > There was a time when if you probed the > Apache on my machine it</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, > there _was_ a great deal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, > there's little mileage</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). > :)</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I never was into 'revenge' or > 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > --</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . > com</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in > the body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the > body of the message</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML > 3.2//EN"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <HTML></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <HEAD></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" > CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <META NAME="Generator" > CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named > Keep crashing)</TITLE></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </HEAD></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BODY></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb sp; > <FONT SIZE=2>Just an off</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are > all of equal</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> &quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I run > all 3 and none of them make</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're > attempting to make</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> here?</FONT></P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>--- quoth the raven, > --- </FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Everybody should start > with a *nix running on a publicly</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> accessable box.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(Note: Linux doesn't > count here, except possibly really</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> old versions of</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Slackware. Damned RH > makes things too easy. No X either</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> - CLI, people!)</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT > SIZE=2>__________________________________________________________________ ______</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Chet > Hosey</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>__________________________________________________________________ ______</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, > Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; On Wed, Apr > 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Davids thus spoke:</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > &gt; Is there any way to trace who is doing</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> it? | &gt; Running tcpdump</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; with > certain filter settings to avoid logging</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> everything and</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > filling the disk?</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > Dont bother... Just install the fixed</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> version of bind...</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > Every kid with a script and an internet</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> connection is probably</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; | > doing this to you!!!</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; This > response kind of bothers me. There was a</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> time</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; when > everytime I could sanely trace spammers I</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> emailed</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Similarly, when people</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> emails.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; If you find a > way this works let me know.&nbsp;</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I've given up doing this</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; because > except for the most well known, I've</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> received rejects from</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; all mail > addresses at the offending provider,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> root,abuse,</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; postmaster, > webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just gave up</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and put the in</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; the REJECT > list.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Those days > responsible people, and not quick buck</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> artists, we're</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; keeping the > 'net running.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > There was a time when if you probed the Apache</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> on my machine it</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> _was_ a great deal</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; of > satisfaction there... Needless to say,</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> there's little mileage</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; in > this now (damned M$ service packs!).</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> :)</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I never was > into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; > Bill</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; > --</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Bill > Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv . com</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To > Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; with > &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> body of the message</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT > SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <P><FONT SIZE=2>To Unsubscribe: send > mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>with > &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the body of</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the message</FONT></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </P></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </BODY></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </HTML></FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Jamie Heckford</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Chief Network Engineer</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us > How.</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>FreeBSD - The power to serve</FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>=====================================</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>web: <A > HREF="http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/</A></FONT>; > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245</FONT> > <BR><FONT SIZE=2>mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 </FONT> > </P> > > <P><FONT SIZE=2>=====================================</FONT> > </P> > > </BODY> > </HTML> -- Jamie Heckford Chief Network Engineer Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. FreeBSD - The power to serve ===================================== email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 ===================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD26.CDD2FD5C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P> <FONT SIZE=3D2>I suppose = you are correct but that isn't to say that Redhat forces you to keep = everything running, they have a nifty little util called ntsysv that = lets you basically visually see everything its starting and tell it = wether or not to do it, or you can always do it the old fashioned way = via xinetd/inetd or through /etc/sysconfig/init.d. </FONT></P> <P> <FONT SIZE=3D2>It doesnt = really hurt to have all of those things starting by default at = installation time, because if the user doesnt know enough to shutdown = services that arent meant to be running than he will probably end up = being hacked anyway through other mistakes of his/her own.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Jamie Heckford [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:27 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep = crashing)</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Compare a default redhat install to a default FreeBSD = install,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from a newbies perspective.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Which one is more secure? FreeBSD.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>J</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 2001.04.04 17:40 Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Enh, Redhat only starts everything if it is = configured to start</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> everything,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and has utilities (and manual ways) of telling = it not to start everything</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Jamie Heckford [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:16 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Drew J. Weaver</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named = Keep crashing)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> IMHO, redhat is a hell of a lot harder, = due</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> to the fact it launches every damn service = you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> can think off, most of which are outdated and = full of security </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> holes, and when you try to update them = linuxconf throws a </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> fit becuase you didnt do it through a = GUI.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> FreeBSD is a hell of a lot easier to set up as = a server</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you can trust, without chewing your fingers = off.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Jamie</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> On 2001.04.04 17:19 Drew J. Weaver = wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Just an off topic note = here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> all</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > equal "difficulty" to = administer, I run all 3 and none of them make me</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make here?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > --- quoth the raven, --- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Everybody should start with a *nix running = on a publicly accessable</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> box.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except = possibly really old versions of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Slackware. Damned RH makes things too = easy. No X either - CLI, people!)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Chet Hosey</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <chosey@nidhog.com></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion = wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM = +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > | > Is there any way to trace = who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > with certain filter settings to = avoid logging everything and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > filling the disk?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > | Dont bother... Just install = the fixed version of bind...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > | Every kid with a script and an = internet connection is probably</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > | doing this to you!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > This response kind of bothers = me. There was a time</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > when everytime I could sanely = trace spammers I emailed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to = advise them. Similarly, when people</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > probed Apache I'd send off = adivsory emails.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > If you find a way this works let me = know. I've given up doing this</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > because except for the most well = known, I've received rejects from</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > all mail addresses at the offending = provider, root,abuse,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So = I just gave up and put the in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > the REJECT list.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Those days responsible people, and = not quick buck artists, we're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > keeping the 'net running.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > There was a time when if you = probed the Apache on my machine it</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues = aside, there _was_ a great deal</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > of satisfaction there... = Needless to say, there's little mileage</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > in this now (damned M$ service = packs!). :)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I never was into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Bill</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Bill Vermillion - bv @ = wjv . com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > with "unsubscribe = freebsd-isp" in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" = in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD = HTML 3.2//EN"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <HTML></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <META = HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> charset=3Diso-8859-1"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <META NAME=3D"Generator" = CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 5.5.2650.12"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: = Named Keep crashing)</TITLE></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BODY></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&am= p;nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Just an off</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > topic note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and = RedHat are all of equal</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > &quot;difficulty&quot; to = administer, I run all 3 and none of them make</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > me shiver in my boots. Not sure what point = you're attempting to make</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > here?</FONT></P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- quoth = the raven, --- </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Everybody = should start with a *nix running on a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> publicly</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > accessable box.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(Note: = Linux doesn't count here, except possibly</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> really</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > old versions of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Slackware. = Damned RH makes things too easy. No X</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> either</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > - CLI, people!)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= _________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ___</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chet = Hosey</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2>____________________________________________________________= _________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ___</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, 4 = Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On = Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Davids thus spoke:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | &gt; Is there any way to trace who is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> doing</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > it? | &gt; Running = tcpdump</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; with certain filter settings to avoid</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> logging</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > everything and</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; filling the disk?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | Dont bother... Just install the fixed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > version of bind...</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | Every kid with a script and an internet</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > connection is probably</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; | doing this to you!!!</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; This response kind of bothers me. There was</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > time</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; when everytime I could sanely trace spammers</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > emailed</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Similarly, when people</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; probed Apache I'd send off adivsory</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > emails.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If = you find a way this works let me know.&nbsp;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > I've given up doing = this</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = because except for the most well known, I've</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > received rejects from</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = all mail addresses at the offending provider,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > root,abuse,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = postmaster, webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just gave</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> up</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and put the in</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = the REJECT list.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Those days responsible people, and not quick buck</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > artists, we're</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = keeping the 'net running.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; There was a time when if you probed the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Apache</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > on my machine it</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > _was_ a great deal</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; of satisfaction there... Needless to say,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > there's little mileage</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; in this now (damned M$ service packs!).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > :)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I = never was into 'revenge' or</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Bill</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = --</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Bill Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv .</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> com</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To = Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = with &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > body of the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>To = Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with = &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the body</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </BODY></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </HTML></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Jamie Heckford</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Chief Network Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us = How.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> FreeBSD - The power to serve</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> web: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/</A></FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> tel: +44 (0)1737 789 = 246</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> fax: +44 (0)1737 789 = 245</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML = 3.2//EN"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <HTML></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" = CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <META NAME=3D"Generator" = CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <TITLE>RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: = Named Keep crashing)</TITLE></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </HEAD></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BODY></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Enh, Redhat only = starts everything if it is configured to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> start everything, and has utilities (and manual = ways) of telling it not</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> to start = everything</FONT></P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original = Message-----</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Jamie = Heckford [<A</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HREF=3D"<A = HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A>"><A = HREF=3D"mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk">mailto:heckfordj@psi-domain.c= o.uk</A></A>]</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, = April 04, 2001 1:16 PM</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Drew J. = Weaver</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: = freebsd-isp@freebsd.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: = Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> crashing)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>IMHO, redhat is a = hell of a lot harder, due</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to the fact it = launches every damn service you</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>can think off, = most of which are outdated and full of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> security </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>holes, and when = you try to update them linuxconf throws</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> a </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>fit becuase you = didnt do it through a GUI.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>FreeBSD is a hell = of a lot easier to set up as a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> server</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>you can trust, = without chewing your fingers off.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Jamie</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 2001.04.04 = 17:19 Drew J. Weaver wrote:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Just an off = topic</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are = all</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; equal = &quot;difficulty&quot; to administer, I run</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> all 3 and none of them make = me</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; shiver = in my boots. Not sure what point you're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> attempting to make here?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; --- = quoth the raven, --- </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Everybody should start with a *nix running on a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> publicly accessable box.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (Note: = Linux doesn't count here, except possibly</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> really old versions of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> either - CLI, people!)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Chet = Hosey</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;chosey@nidhog.com&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = ________________________________________________________________________= </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Wed, = 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Davids thus spoke:</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; | &gt; Is there any way to trace who is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> doing it? | &gt; Running = tcpdump</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; with certain filter settings to avoid</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> logging everything and</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; filling the disk?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; | Dont bother... Just install the fixed</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> version of bind...</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; | Every kid with a script and an internet</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> connection is probably</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; | doing this to you!!!</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; This response kind of bothers me. There</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> was a time</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; when everytime I could sanely trace</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> spammers I emailed</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> them. Similarly, when = people</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; probed Apache I'd send off adivsory</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> emails.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; If you find a way this works let me</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> know.&nbsp; I've given up doing = this</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; because except for the most well known, I've</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> received rejects from</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; all mail addresses at the offending provider,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> root,abuse,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; postmaster, webmaster, etc.&nbsp; So I just</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> gave up and put the in</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; the REJECT list.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; Those days responsible people, and not quick</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> buck artists, we're</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; keeping the 'net running.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; There was a time when if you probed the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Apache on my machine it</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there _was_ a great deal</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; of satisfaction there... Needless to say,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there's little mileage</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; &gt; in this now (damned M$ service packs!).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> :)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; I never was into 'revenge' or</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 'tit-for-tat'.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; Bill</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; --</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; Bill Vermillion -&nbsp;&nbsp; bv @ wjv .</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> com</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; To Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt; with &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the body of the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To = Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; with = &quot;unsubscribe freebsd-isp&quot; in the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> body of the message</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//W3C//DTD HTML</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 3.2//EN&quot;&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;HTML&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;HEAD&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=3D&quot;Content-Type&quot;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> CONTENT=3D&quot;text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1&quot;&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;META NAME=3D&quot;Generator&quot;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> CONTENT=3D&quot;MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12&quot;&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;TITLE&gt;RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Keep = crashing)&lt;/TITLE&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/HEAD&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BODY&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp= ;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> &lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;Just an = off</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; topic = note here, FreeBSD, BSDi/OS and RedHat are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> all of equal</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &amp;quot;difficulty&amp;quot; to administer, I run</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> all 3 and none of them make</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; me = shiver in my boots. Not sure what point you're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> attempting to make</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = here?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;--- quoth the = raven,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --- &lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;Everybody should = start</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with a *nix running on a = publicly</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = accessable box.&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;(Note: Linux = doesn't</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> count here, except possibly = really</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; old = versions of&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;Slackware. Damned = RH</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> makes things too easy. No X = either</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; - CLI, = people!)&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;________________________________________________________= ________________&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;Chet</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hosey&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;lt;chosey@nidhog.com&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&a= mp;gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;________________________________________________________= ________________&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;On Wed, 4 Apr = 2001,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Bill Vermillion = wrote:&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; On Wed, = Apr</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, = Enno</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Davids = thus spoke:&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; |</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> &amp;gt; Is there any way to trace who is = doing</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; it? | = &amp;gt; Running tcpdump&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; with</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> certain filter settings to avoid = logging</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = everything and&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> filling the = disk?&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; |</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dont bother... Just install the = fixed</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; version = of bind...&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; |</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Every kid with a script and an = internet</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = connection is probably&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; |</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> doing this to = you!!!&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; This</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> response kind of bothers me. There was = a</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = time&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; when</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> everytime I could sanely trace spammers = I</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = emailed&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise = them.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = Similarly, when people&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> probed Apache I'd send off = adivsory</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = emails.&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; If you find = a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> way this works let me = know.&amp;nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I've = given up doing this&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = because</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> except for the most well known, = I've</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = received rejects from&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; all = mail</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> addresses at the offending = provider,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = root,abuse,&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = postmaster,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> webmaster, etc.&amp;nbsp; So I just gave = up</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and put = the in&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; the = REJECT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> list.&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; Those = days</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> responsible people, and not quick = buck</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = artists, we're&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; keeping = the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 'net = running.&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> There was a time when if you probed the = Apache</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; on my = machine it&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, = there</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; _was_ a = great deal&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> satisfaction there... Needless to = say,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; there's = little mileage&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; = &amp;gt; in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> this now (damned M$ service = packs!).</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = :)&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; I never = was</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> into 'revenge' or = 'tit-for-tat'.&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Bill&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; Bill</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Vermillion -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; bv @ = wjv . com&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; To</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Unsubscribe: send mail to</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = majordomo@FreeBSD.org&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt; with</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> &amp;quot;unsubscribe = freebsd-isp&amp;quot; in the</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; body of = the message&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = SIZE=3D2&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;To Unsubscribe: = send</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT SIZE=3D2&gt;with</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> &amp;quot;unsubscribe = freebsd-isp&amp;quot; in the body of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the = message&lt;/FONT&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/P&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/BODY&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; = &lt;/HTML&gt;</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- = </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jamie = Heckford</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chief Network = Engineer</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Psi-Domain - = Innovative Linux Solutions. 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