Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:18:04 -0400 From: Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> To: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Vincent Hoffman <vince@unsane.co.uk>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com>, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>, openrc@gentoo.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Peltom=E4ki?= <atte.peltomaki@iki.fi> Subject: Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times) Message-ID: <4FE07C0C.3030207@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <CAGH67wR%2BzUNcQ_v3%2BQZUgVpc47DjoWaayzKjf2qeZStVYS5ToA@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120615124849.GI96212@ass.kameli.org> <CAKYr3zxSOFOUghqao=3U_8sBNHwqce8AGK6mSFd6is11qzjS8w@mail.gmail.com> <20120618081140.GK96212@ass.kameli.org> <4FDF6177.5050608@unsane.co.uk> <4FDF6586.9060501@gentoo.org> <4FDFB166.2040709@FreeBSD.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1206190636100.1823@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4FE0086F.4000507@gentoo.org> <CAGH67wR%2BzUNcQ_v3%2BQZUgVpc47DjoWaayzKjf2qeZStVYS5ToA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 06/19/2012 07:20 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On 06/19/2012 12:39 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> - delay at rc.d scripts - there are some delays inserted. >>> >>>> The latter item is the only place where making changes to rc.d is going >>>> to help, and only then by parellelizing, and even then you are not >>>> really going to gain much since most things at boot time are serial. >>> >>> grep sleep /etc/rc.d/* usr/local/etc/rc.d/* >>> >>>> >>>> So while talk of how to get your favorite boot-time manager into FreeBSD >>>> may be entertaining, it's not likely to be productive, and almost >>> >>> it is unimportant as FreeBSD don't crash. >> >> OpenRC init scripts lack such delays. They store dependency information, >> which enables OpenRC to start them as soon as their dependencies are ready. > > Assuming that the hacks aren't working around other issues, like > routes not already being available for a certain period of time, e.g. > defaultroute, etc (which doesn't work 100% of the time, e.g. static > gateways and mounting NFS shares). > This is something that launchd, systemd, upstart, etc handle > (because they either have more knowledge of the system or it's been > coded into the files that execute the jobs/services), or alternatively > the services need to fail more gracefully (this is more difficult -- > but not impossible -- to code). Even OpenRC in gentoo doesn't handle > this, unless things have changed dramatically since I used Gentoo ~2 > years ago... > Thanks! > -Garrett It works for me. I suggest you try Gentoo FreeBSD in a jail: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_FreeBSD#Howto_run_G.2FFBSD_in_vanilla_FreeBSD.27s_jail
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