Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:00:58 -0400 From: "Chris Lynch" <lynch@cityisp.net> To: <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Color ls Message-ID: <003701bff14f$22b4d510$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> References: <20000719041804.A52522@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182027250.56461-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719044049.A52681@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000719102137.A32398@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
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> I don't believe they're experienced Unix sysadmins. I'm not,
> my first sysadmining exposure was on linux perhaps three years ago,
> but I still found freebsd's install a breeze.
I don't believe that either. It may be an excuse. I tried FreeBSD, coming
from
a Windows environment. It installed rather easily, and took less time that I
assumed it would.(I'd heard plenty of horror stories on how Unix acts
strange on intel machines, mind you these remarks came from MCSE's) I think
it has the best options for installation from any OS. You can control
practically everything. Since, 2 years ago, I started the install being a
complete newbie and got it going , I don't understand how someone woudl
think it was complicated.
Red hat is easy as well.
As Far as sound cards go, I had a vibra16 SB and I asked a few questions
and
dug some info up and had it going in less than a day. I've been running
FreeBSDas my desktop ever since. Well, since 2 weeks ago when my motherboard
took a dump and the elcheapo DFI motherboard won't let me use non-plug and
play cards ( you can set IRQ's for ISA, but, your Modem will not work. Only
Plug and Play).
So, now 2 and a half years later, I'm stuck with Windows again. Media
Player is cool, but , the OS still pisses me off....
oh yeah, I didn't mean to rant about my motherboard....everyone here is
sick of hearing about it as well!
Later,
Chris
> > if i had trouble getting color to work on cons25 or even an xterm, i
> > wouldn't be especially optimistic about something advanced, like playing
> > mpegs, or even sound. I spent 2 months getting sound and my zip drive
to
>
> I'd never done sound on FreeBSD before (the machine I used before
> doesn't have a sound card). I helped a friend to install it recently,
> and just read some basic docs on the FreeBSD web page and turned on a
> couple of kernel options, and this guy was stunned at the way it
> autodetected his PCI sound card on the next bootup. He was even more
> impressed that it found his ethernet card (I forget which one) which
> even Red Hat 6.2 could not. Granted, not all sound/ethernet cards are
> so easy, but they aren't on linux either.
>
> But speaking of cons25: it's one of my pet peeves, because it's
> incompatible with vt100. What happens is, we have an environment with
> this, linux and commercial unix living together, and when you
> telnet/ssh from one machine to another you get a message like "unknown
> terminal type {dtterm/linux/cons25}". The quick workaround there is
> to set term=vt100 in your login file, which works on all the machines
> -- except the FreeBSD console.
>
> (Yes I know about copying termcap entries, but it looked like too much
> trouble since people run X most of the time anyway. No problem in
> an xterm. Also I know about pcvt but couldn't get it to work properly
> with X for some reason.)
>
> > To sum it all up, i get frustrated when 'progress' is alluded to as
being a
> > crutch for 'lusers'. Computers are a tool to make life easier. Why the
> > hell does liking colors (which help the brain organize information
better)
> > warrant being labeled as a luser?
>
> I agree. I'm not fond of color-ls, but if people want it, why not;
> and I found syntax-highlighting in vim to be a *huge* help. The way
> people tend to flame vim on this list, because of its alleged bloat
> and incompatibility with "traditional" vi (when in fact it's more
> compatible than nvi, which freebsd uses) is not funny.
>
> Rahul.
>
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