Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Omachonu Ogali <oogali@intranova.net> To: "Gary D. Margiotta" <gary@tbe.net> Cc: spork <spork@super-g.com>, Matt Heckaman <matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET>, FreeBSD-ISP <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd hosting. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005051103590.51505-100000@hydrant.intranova.net> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005051023420.63612-100000@thud.tbe.net>
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Dunno 'bout that... I was recently working for the provider currently > hosting dslreports.com... and we have been dealing with Covad for way too > long... The incompetency at some of these companies, along with the > in-fighting with Bell over installations and what not is unbelieveable. I > ordered DSL for my fiancee back in October, 99, and it finally got > installed on New Year's Eve... however, I am still unable to pass traffic > over it, even now in May, 2000... I've had Covad out to the house several > times already, and It Just Doesn't Work (and she's only 1/2 mile from the > CO) Ouch. > At least here in Northern NJ/NYC area, the Covad service is horrid... and > Flashcom isn't doing well either... Friend of mine ordered DSL from > Flashcom, and didn't even get a confirmation call back in almost 7 > weeks. He called up, cancelled, and then called Bell Atl. and had his > DSL up in 2 weeks. Granted, he has ADSL, and it's only costing him $40, > but. That's Flashcom's primary problem in BellAtlantic territory, same thing with one of my friends, he ordered Flashcom service in December, didn't get any confirmation until April. (They sent him his DSL modem, he hooked it up and called off the Flashcom technician). One Flashcom technician I talked to said that BellAtlantic is slowing them down as they take long to tag/markoff the line pairs. Doesn't it show that something's wrong when any DSL provider in this area takes 3-6 months for installation and BellAtlantic doesn't. Then again, BellAtlantic's service is very unreliable from what I've seen, and they're currently on the IconNET backbone which is going to be decommissioned soon, so expect more network problems. > And, at least where I am, I am roughly 18,250 feet away from my CO, and > that means I'm 250 feet too far, even for IDSL... As far as Covad is > concerned, that is too far for service. I am able to get ISDN, so the > correlation to ISDN and IDSL being able to get both is not entiirely true > (at least in my case). YMMV. > > I think the providers out West, i.e. in PacBell territory and even US > Worst from what I've heard from people in our other offices, are much > better at giving good DSL service, as they were the ones who really > developed it and deployed it first, so they've had the time to work some > of the bugs out. > > In correlation, I believe T1's are horridly expensive out West also, so > DSL, even if there is a slight downtime, is much more cost-effective than > a PTP or Frame circuit (this is my own guess, not based on any hard > evidence). > > Honestly, we sell out our rack space, and around here, the most common > thing that we recommend to our customers is the following: Put whatever > servers you need critical uptime on in the rack, that way they get > guaranteed speed and uptime, and if you want good speed at home, get > either ISDN or DSL if available. The cost works out to about $400/month > for both the rack and the DSL, and you get the best of both worlds... have > your development servers in house on the DSL so you can test, and put your > production environment on a well-connected backbone co-located at a local > provider. > > DSL looks like the next wave of dedicated service, but at least here in > the Tri-State area, they have a lot of work to do before it can even come > close to comparing with dedicated Frame and PTP circuite... It's a matter of planning. Most DSL multiplexers in the central offices have already been maxed out to full capacity due to a growing customer base, the capacity is causing lines to drop out of mid-air, (for instance, two weeks ago, Covad had three different unrelated outages, a Qwest DS3 failed, the firmware in a central office wouldn't load, and I forget the other). The maximum *stable* bandwidth I've seen out of a SDSL line is 768K, not the maximum 1.544Mbps. > Just another $.02... ;) > > -Gary > > On Fri, 5 May 2000, spork wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > > > [...] > > > DSL is still in its infancy, and if you need uptime, you still won't get > > > it reliably yet. Too many bugs to still work out. > > > > Heh. He's in Bell Atlantic territory. We're seeing better reliability on > > our SDSL lines than our point-to-point T's. The reliability thing is FUD > > from RBOCs worried about lost T1 revenue. > > > > Charles > > > > > Just my $.02, I'll shut up now... ;) > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote: > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, I deleted the original message before thinking, but revived a > > > > bit from scrollback: > > > > > > > > > worried about it e-mail to be separated for the different domains. I know > > > > > the same user names are used on the different domains. > > > > > > > > I do this nicely for > 30 domains with qmail, as for as I'm concerned it's > > > > the only way to do email virtual hosting =) > > > > > > > > Matt Heckaman > > > > matt@arpa.mail.net > > > > http://www.lucida.qc.ca > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) > > > > Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE5D17LdMMtMcA1U5ARAsFeAKC9+0/DpeKWknrQjzmnCNiLt3Mh2wCguIPR > > > > 6wHx3QePQhOEORrViKEJNRQ= > > > > =qZEX > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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