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Date:      Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:19:54 -0800
From:      Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig@spymac.com>
To:        "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed@reedmedia.net>
Cc:        Tim Kellers <kellers@njit.edu>
Subject:   Re: BSD Certification ? Why not?
Message-ID:  <200412292119.54766.krinklyfig@spymac.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0412291947090.2696-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.43.0412291947090.2696-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net>

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On Wednesday 29 December 2004 07:52 pm, "Jeremy C. Reed" 
<reed@reedmedia.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Joshua Tinnin wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 December 2004 12:23 pm, pablo.delgado@lsi.mine.nu 
wrote:
> > > Why not create a FreeBSD Certification Program. The community can
> > > form an non profit or profit organization (which ever suites
> > > best) and team (elected by the FreeBSD Foundation or the FreeBSD
> > > community, which ever works best) to design, develop and manage a
> > > certification program that will teach and test essential skills
> > > and knowledge needed to manage, support or develop the FreeBSD
> > > environment.
> >
> > There is one at the New Jersey Institute of Technology.
> > http://cpe.njit.edu/opensourceunix/
>
> Thanks for the link. It is always good to hear about *BSD classes
> being offered.
>
> I don't see anything about "certification" or evaluating skills there
> other than it says complete the three stages and receive
> certification.

Yes, there you go.

> It just looks like normal FreeBSD classes like I have been teaching
> for around four years (which also have a "certificate of course
> completion").

Perhaps that's true, but in any case the certification is considered 
valid by at least FreeBSD. I'm not sure what it means to the industry 
in general, but there is some guarantee that you will know your FreeBSD 
stuff if you go that route.

> Except they say "eLearning" -- my classes are in a real classroom
> environment. (We do hope to soon start providing *BSD training with
> video soon ... starting with Apache Web Server Administration.)

The classes are offered both on campus and online.

> > It's the only one I know of, and it's the only one officially
> > approved by the FreeBSD team. As that is the case, I'm sure more
> > people doing this would be welcome, but I don't speak for FreeBSD
> > or what they might actually want to have happen.
>
> Where can I find out more about being "officially approved by the
> FreeBSD team"?

I'm not sure, but I'll CC this to Tim Kellers, who is the instructor and 
author of the course in question. It may take a while for him to 
respond, considering school schedules and such.

As Tim put it in an earlier email to the -questions list, "The NJIT 
curriculum, while non-credit and classified as 'Professional 
Development' is the Only University level course in the world that is 
both sanctioned as a bona fide certificate program (certificate 
endorsed by NJIT) AND endorsed by the FreeBSD foundation.  (If you 
don't believe me, e-mail Robert Watson of the core FreeBSD team.)"

I'm not in any way speaking for him, but I've looked into it in the 
past, so I had the information about it handy.

- jt



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