Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:36:59 -0700 From: Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> To: Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> Cc: freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Ron McDowell <rcm@fuzzwad.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, eculp <eculp@encontacto.net> Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. Message-ID: <CAOjFWZ4O%2B=kdp_hKhq8kUXXt6Wm1krokLxsRBbM7TQchrO4VAQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E2D125F.6040909@cran.org.uk> References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> <CAOjFWZ5kWsxPbNLBu%2BB01v0DN7z4RZVyAHzWv2biV6iOck__Rw@mail.gmail.com> <4E2D125F.6040909@cran.org.uk>
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On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote: > On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: > >> Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a >> Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made >> a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a system. >> Usually the first time someone mentions they use it for post-install >> configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing that! An os installer >> should do just that: install the os and nothing else. >> > > I tend to disagree with this. For people unfamiliar with FreeBSD using it > as a systems administration tool can be really useful, at least until they > understand where all the various configuration files are and how they work. > Having recently switched to opensuse from Ubuntu I know I find the YaST > tool incredibly useful, and probably wouldn't have continued using SuSE if > it hadn't been there. Its installer mode is one of the better installers > I've come across, and lets you fine-tune the configuration. > The difference is that YaST was designed from the get-go to be both a system management tool and a software installation tool and a system installation tool. Sysinstall was not, and sysinstall used as a post-install management tool the past couple of years has caused more issues for newbies than it's "solved". If nothing else happened to sysinstall but all the post-install crud was removed from it, it would be improved a thousand-fold. Since no one has stepped up to fix the issues with the post-install management facets of sysinstall, it's only natural to remove those bits. And, since no one wants to create a new TUI management tool, there's no reason to burden the bsdinstall devs with it. Let's make an installation tool. Later, we can worry about a TUI management tool, if it's really needed. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com
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