Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> To: Mike Silbersack <silby@silby.com> Cc: Paul Traina <pst@pst.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, <committers@FreeBSD.org>, <freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: IP port ephemeral range Message-ID: <20020424120734.O67562-100000@master.gorean.org> In-Reply-To: <20020423233952.V1720-100000@patrocles.silby.com>
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[ Re-directing to -arch to get a wider audience involved. ]
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Mike Silbersack wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Doug Barton wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I appreciate your eagerness to get this change out to our
> > userbase, but I really think it's too big a change for releng_4. I
> > personallly would really like to see the whole thing backed out in that
> > branch, and give the code time to gel in -current. What do you think?
>
> I think you stated it best a few days ago, Doug:
>
> "I'm really beginning to sympathize with obrien's perspective that
> doing anything useful around here isn't worth having to put up with the
> kibitzing."
Funny you should quote that... while I still believe that it's
true, I eventually realized that _some_ of the kibitzing was valid, and
that some of the changes I merged into -stable were too much, so I backed
them out.
> I'm happy to work with Paul. He has stated a valid complaint, and
> has helped to determine what an acceptable solution would be. However, I
> can't hold up MFCing changes forever just because people believe that
> releng_4 should never change.
I am not suggesting that, nor do I believe it. In fact, quite the
opposite, I'm a vigorous campaigner for mfc's, especially during this
loooong development cycle for 5.0. However, I am concerned that the change
you've pushed through is too much of a POLA violation, if it's even a good
idea.
This change hasn't been put in a release yet, so it's not too late
to back it out of releng_4 with minimal disruption to the users.
> The idea of just leaving such a change in -current for comment isn't
> working. The change which started this debate was commited to current
> over a month ago. Aside from Peter, I heard very little comment before
> the change was MFC'd.
I've already apologized once for missing this discussion. I can't
imagine I'm the only one who did.
> We have a month-long code freeze coming up, that should be more than
> enough time for the changes to get tested.
Given that this is still a work in progress, I don't think one
month is enough. We are relying heavily on the 4.x branch to be something
users can cling to while we finish the 5.0 development. I think that this
is the wrong time for a change like this, even if you do get the bugs
worked out of -current.
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