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Date:      Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:46:48 -0800
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>
Cc:        David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>, "f.johan.beisser" <jan@caustic.org>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...")
Message-ID:  <3C4FF428.F439B7FB@mindspring.com>
References:  <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123091107.T32624-100000@localhost> <20020123124025.A60889@HAL9000.wox.org> <3C4F5BEE.294FDCF5@mindspring.com> <20020124014413.F53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <3C4F6CAB.76D9CAE2@mindspring.com> <20020124095742.J53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org>

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Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > But you must also include, somewhere, the project's installation
> > > routine, and provide a mechanism that lets the end user choose what gets
> > > run.
> >
> > How about we call this mechanism "buying CDROM A instead of CDROM B"?
> 
> How about we call it "Providing a fall back that the project can point
> to on -questions so they can say 'We can't answer questions about any
> installer except the project's -- please contact your vendor if you're
> having problems with their installation routine'".

Actually, they can say that without a fallback.  It seems you
really want to be able to say "Use our installer instead".

How about "Boot the ``Ports and Packages'' CD", with a multiple
CD distribution?


> > > For example, you might ship on CDROM, and include the project's floppy
> > > disk images, and instructions on how to use them to create a "FreeBSD
> > > Project" install.
> >
> > This is actually the first time this particular option has
> > been raised as "permissable".
> 
> I've mentioned this before, and to you.
> 
>     Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:25:13 +0100
>     Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
>     Message-ID: <20010710112513.D16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org>

Was this "To:" me?  Or "To:" Brett?

I think that it was pointed out the "fdimage" didn't get
level 3 and 0 volume locks on the disk, so it couldn't
write raw floppies from revent versions of Windows...


...Still, this approach is not listed as being acceptable,
in writing, by the trademark license agreement, which
doesn't exist, and you aren't the trademark holder, so you
saying this and it being true past the point of legal risk
are two very different things, aren't they?


>     If you would prefer to use the standard FreeBSD installer, boot from
>     CDROM as normal.  When you see the '>' prompt, press SPACE to
>     interrupt the boot process.  Then type
> 
>         set init_path=/stand/sysinstall
>         boot

Apparently you missed the "size restriction" of 2.88M for
the floppy image for the boot floppy MFS, which (probably)
would not be able to fit both the "/stand/sysinstall" and
the "/stand/goodinstall" at the same time.

This would be less of a problem if you could figure out a
way of portably running code directly off the CDROM, but
if we could do that, then the MFS wouldn't be so large,
and FreeBSD would be able to boot in a small amount of
memory again (e.g. 4M).  Of course, since we can't assume
a BIOS interface to the CDROM drive, we're screwed here.

-- Terry

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