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Date:      Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:15:00 -0500
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To:        Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: libinit idea
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It's really good to read the comments and see people point of view on this topic. 
I totally agree RC system is really good and stable, easy and extensible.
The main concern I have here is performance. Starting a system is really slow.
Boot to X (with simple xdm) is minimum 25 secs and I just feel there's something to do to cut this delay.



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> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:33:30 -0800
> From: list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com
> To: fjwcash@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: libinit idea
> CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
>
> On 2/23/2014 10:31 AM, Freddie Cash wrote:
>> The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and anti-!Linux. He
>> had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
>> systems. In order to port systemd to a non-Linux system, he wants you to
>> first implement every Linux feature that systemd uses.
>>
>> systemd is a non-starter, and not with considering.
>
> It's pretty clear Lennart Poettering failed history.
>
> Perhaps the best examples of why systemd is an anti-pattern is this:
> systemd stores logs in a binary journal. After the Linux zealots have
> spent about two decades using binary system data storage as one of the
> reasons Windows sucks, that strikes me as particularly ironic.
>
> The RC system we have is proof you do not need anything more than bourne
> and a respectable amount of intelligence to design a good init system.
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