Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:38:11 +0000 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <20181004153811.GD74146@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfrgeb0FPmUCT8KAmCSxQKvjF-k1M_jUW8r0=5X798kYdA@mail.gmail.com> References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <201810040121.w941Lwcg003883@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <CANCZdfrgeb0FPmUCT8KAmCSxQKvjF-k1M_jUW8r0=5X798kYdA@mail.gmail.com>
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--mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:18:15PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:58 PM Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >=20 > > > >>> Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<< > > > > > > FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md) > > > outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD = 12 > > > and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining and > > > improving the network stack. We have discussed this within the > > > core team and intend to move forward as proposed. We are solictiting > > > > Since when did a FCP become a core only process???? Why was this > > dicussed within core and not within the larger community? >=20 > Core hasn't approved this FCP, we're in the community discussion phase no= w. > If you have substantive comments, please comment. It's a proposal, and it= 's > being discussed now. As Warner says, this FCP isn't approved. Core's discussion centers on two points. First, we'd like to encourage the use the FCP process to solicit feedback and document decisions. That means using it so we can grind the sharp edges off and understand what works and doesn't work. Second, core believes that we support too much stuff and do a bad job of removing old things. Threads like this are a way to get more data prior to adding deprecation annotations (another way to collect data). Thus far we've found some that clearly should be on the exception list which is exactly as expected. -- Brooks --mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJbtjPjAAoJEKzQXbSebgfA/M8H/A4MWwpV8oNwIdnw2/clJ3gt wQc7CfOWDc0FjkUK+BTEwnqEL9s/10U4NZBv4sRIv8DlzGpvs/tj03VExREdU0yU MhZ21abZoNeuNM/O/RF+MHGpmNRXUQI/DnrSQS7q+K88tXYX0zXA7vhbAGBdt7V4 cu5tQbAbZ5jBV4bLz4fu+DC3L5/ECG77EX+k7XmUc2w3fgs3wiIbI5zJ66Q0F4hH U7jcn6iRU5OdaKaf+mrozZxHFfDaQW83Y7Njcotk3x0UvDH1yxqrnyd4SurDS1qp m8wu5mpGlFEsS3fRudCMsZE4Ars2Lk7JxLatUurNKNCATTzDjmwajVsQEBHNYUk= =MMu8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB--
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