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Date:      Thu, 4 Oct 2018 15:38:11 +0000
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers
Message-ID:  <20181004153811.GD74146@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfrgeb0FPmUCT8KAmCSxQKvjF-k1M_jUW8r0=5X798kYdA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:18:15PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:58 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>=20
> > > >>> Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<<
> > >
> > > FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
> > > outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD =
12
> > > and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining and
> > > improving the network stack.  We have discussed this within the
> > > core team and intend to move forward as proposed.  We are solictiting
> >
> > Since when did a FCP become a core only process????  Why was this
> > dicussed within core and not within the larger community?
>=20
> Core hasn't approved this FCP, we're in the community discussion phase no=
w.
> If you have substantive comments, please comment. It's a proposal, and it=
's
> being discussed now.

As Warner says, this FCP isn't approved.  Core's discussion centers on
two points.  First, we'd like to encourage the use the FCP process to
solicit feedback and document decisions.  That means using it so we can
grind the sharp edges off and understand what works and doesn't work.
Second, core believes that we support too much stuff and do a bad job of
removing old things.  Threads like this are a way to get more data prior
to adding deprecation annotations (another way to collect data).

Thus far we've found some that clearly should be on the exception list
which is exactly as expected.

-- Brooks

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