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Date:      Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:10:09 +0200
From:      Ruben van Staveren <ruben@verweg.com>
To:        freebsd-stable stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?
Message-ID:  <38DE0531-1572-43DD-BA53-ECB3EF52FA3F@verweg.com>
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> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote:
>=20
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
> off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant now as it once was, and it
> had a security vulnerability that secteam had to address.
>=20
> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?

Make it a port


It is time to deprecate ftp altogether, and any other protocols that =
embed protocol information in layer 7, thus hurting any #IPv6 migration =
and deployment technology (SIIT-DC e.g).
Hopefully the IETF can put up a deprecation notice, just as was done for =
e.g. TLS 1.0.
Then we move onward to the self regulating capacity of the community, =
warning each other on =E2=80=9Cyou have ftp=E2=80=9D running.

ftp, a protocol not using TLS protection but by adding it a netadmin =
needs to manage the port range in their firewalls too because clients =
behind nat can=E2=80=99t use passive mode with TLS as NAT can=E2=80=99t =
map things around =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF

It is not worth the time and the hassle. Keep FTP(s) for legacy and =
internal, serve anyone else with https

Best Regards,
	Ruben



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