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Date:      Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:11:45 +1030
From:      Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
To:        Bob Willcox <bob@luke.pmr.com>
Cc:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, Christopher Masto <chris@netmonger.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: hardware 
Message-ID:  <199711070141.MAA00357@word.smith.net.au>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:50:06 MDT." <19971106125006.20805@pmr.com> 

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> On Fri, Nov 07, 1997 at 03:26:37AM +1030, Mike Smith wrote:
> > You don't RC.  IDE moved the register set of the WD1003 onto the disk; 
> > arguably a Bad Idea but see my response to Joerg for commentary on 
> > progress lately.  The "smarts" in an IDE and SCSI disk are prettymuch 
> > comparable.
> 
> However, does the current specification/hardware for IDE allow the
> overlapping of commands (seeks on one drive with data xfer on another)?

Yes.

> (Not to mention multiple commands pending per drive, i.e., command tag
> queuing.) 

Yes.

>  None of the IDE controllers I have used do (admittedly, I
> haven't bothered with IDE in years). 

And from this vantage point you seek to criticise?

> > People making impassioned arguments based on their experience "years 
> > ago" are strongly urged to reevaluate this technology at their leisure. 
> > No promises are made as to absolute results, merely that consideration 
> > for these disks should *not* be summarily dismissed as is the vogue.
> 
> See my comment above.  Till IDE supports overlapped operations to
> multiple devices on the same controller, it will lose in MY environment!

... so I suggest that you start agitating for software support for more 
advanced IDE disk features.  Mr John Hood (cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us 
IIRC) is our current high-end IDE god.  Perhaps throwing the odd 
encouragement and (equipment) donation his way might see you able to 
save some serious money in the longer term.

mike




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