Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:32:51 MDT From: Greg Lehey <lehey.pad@sni.de> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unices are created equal, but ... Message-ID: <199604151434.QAA04688@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> In-Reply-To: <7724.829482854@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 14, 96 4:54 am
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>> I am very disappointed. It seems that people of Unix B mailing list who have >> understood the true meaning of my questionnable comparison do not reply to >> that mail. > > Or the number of people who were able to divine the twisty > machinations of your logic (or knew which kinds of chicken bones to > throw and how to read them) equaled precisely zero. You seem to have > a talent for making broad inferences from the smallest scraps of data! :-) In all fairness, I think you're being unfair to Gerard. You're judging him by our standards, and I don't think he understands. If you flame him (especially copied to the Linux kernel hackers, where I suspect you'll find a lot of people like him--you'll notice I have left them out of this message), you'll just make us look arrogant and uncooperative. I think you should have gently explained the errors of his ways. >> Is that system "Unix A", "Unix B" or "Unix S"? It is not the question. >> The question is to use a Unix system or a Gates's system. >> A little unfair for us. > > So then what use are BYTE benchmarks in this context? Why are you > not out benchmarking WinNT against YourFavoriteFreeUNIX? > > Remember: You were the one who came to US with a set of benchmark > results and very unclear motives (the telepathy quotient for both > groups still being somewhat on the low side). Now you attempt to tell > us that this had something to do with people chosing Windows over any > of the free UNIXes? Sorry, it does not follow. Sure. But why not give him the benefit of the doubt? If it turns out he really *is* trying to put "Unix B" down, that will just make him look more stupid. But I'm really not sure. >> I was expecting that Unix B version 2.0.5 was still a little FASTER that >> Unix A version 1.3.87, and I get the OPPOSITE. > > So what? The data did not fit your expectations, and that proves only > one thing: You should not harbor faulty expectations! "Doctor, it > hurts when I do *this*!" I think what he's trying to say here is "I thought any kind of FreeBSD would run rings round Linux, and now I find that's not always the case". Certainly an initial expectation that puts him on more neutral ground. >> The difference is that I wrote that my benckmark is "questionnable" and >> give enough informations to guess missing informations. > > Phooey. There was nothing to "guess." - the situation has changed and > the numbers have changed and anyone who tries to extrapolate from a > non-linear curve is a fool, nothing more, nothing less. Or completely inexperienced. As I say, we should be trying to make friends with these guys and help explain to them what's really going on. >> Most of Unix end users are not able to guess the MISSING informations. >> They BELEIVE what we CLAIM. Put in another form, "Most UNIX end users are even less experienced than I am". >> 3 - It seems to me that now, current Linux is as FAST as FreeBSD-current. >> Good news!!!!!!!!!! Well, that really shows his understanding of the material, doesn't it? > To you, clearly. You've no agenda at all here, have you? Please, > just go away, Gerard! Your logic is flawed, your reasoning suspect > and your preconceived agenda very clear indeed. Such "unbiased > reporting" we hardly need more of in this world, on *either* side! > You are simply trying to stir things up for no good reason and you are > not accomplishing anything positive here, so knock it off! He'll go away. So will a lot of others who might have been thinking of playing with FreeBSD. Not because they think it's bad, but because the FreeBSD people are so snotty. Guys, I understand you, and this kind of comparison gets on my nerves too. But flaming wannabees isn't going to help anything. Greghelp
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